briny_ear Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Just been watching MOTD and saw Lambert saying we're "on a bit if a run at the moment". W1 D3 L0.Fabulous "run". Just shows how low our expectations have been dragged under the current regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 That wasn't my point at all but I guess some would prefer any excuse to have a cheap dig. It's better than your, keeping Collins and bent and signing Charlie adam would have been better rubbish. I forgot to add those with a crystal ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Just been watching MOTD and saw Lambert saying we're "on a bit if a run at the moment". W1 D3 L0. Fabulous "run". Just shows how low our expectations have been dragged under the current regime. So he didn't say it was a 'fabulous' run, just a bit of a run, which is correct. We've had three seasons fighting relegation but we're turning it around and are, at the moment mid table. How high should our expectations be at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Football is an entertainment industry. This rubbish at the moment is not entertaining. Villa Park is going to empty at this rate. I'm willing to accept that we may have a transitional period here and that the football will follow. But if we stick with this style of football for longer than necessary, I'm not interested. I was really looking forward to this season and have been to five matches. We're dishing up long-ball crap and I think we have ridden our luck so far too! It isn't what I expected at all. I thought we'd kick on from the end of last season but no end of freak results (Man City) can mask the agricultural approach we're taking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) Just been watching MOTD and saw Lambert saying we're "on a bit if a run at the moment". W1 D3 L0. Fabulous "run". Just shows how low our expectations have been dragged under the current regime. I think its called cluthching at straws. You take into consideration that those 4 games were against West Ham, Cardiff, West Brom and Sunderland then 6 points is the least I'd expected. More worrying for me is the performances have in the main been poor. West Ham was a dire game, Cardiff at home we struggled for 70 odd mins, West Brom away we were crap for 55 minutes and should have been 4 down before we turned the game around with the 3 subs and yesterday we didn't trouble a very poor Sunderland side who had by far the better chances. I like Lambert and think he has received diabolical backing given the task he faced when he arrived. However I still have to say it like it is and the football we are serving up is simply not good enough. I was really confident before kick off yesterday as that was pretty much our best side. We created nothing though and at times at the back were all over the place. Had Sunderland had a bit more about them and some good fortune they would have won which is worrying given how poor they are. Edited December 1, 2013 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post romavillan Posted December 1, 2013 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2013 Just been watching MOTD and saw Lambert saying we're "on a bit if a run at the moment". W1 D3 L0. Fabulous "run". Just shows how low our expectations have been dragged under the current regime. i think the 0 in the losses column means he was talking about an unbeaten run. i don't think he was saying we're on an amazing run of brazilesque twinkle toed football. and for all this we shouldn't "accept it" where we are bollocks, yes we didn't beat a poor team at home, but we don't look like relegation material this year. I think we should "accept" that this process will take a while and stop throwing our toys out the pram every time somethign doesn't go for us. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Just been watching MOTD and saw Lambert saying we're "on a bit if a run at the moment". W1 D3 L0. Fabulous "run". Just shows how low our expectations have been dragged under the current regime. We are unbeaten in four games, I'd call that a bit of a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Just been watching MOTD and saw Lambert saying we're "on a bit if a run at the moment". W1 D3 L0. Fabulous "run". Just shows how low our expectations have been dragged under the current regime. We are unbeaten in four games, I'd call that a bit of a run. A walk at least, not quite a jog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 A manager needs time or money. Lambert hasn't had much money in prem terms - and certainly not for a club regularly pulling in 36k crowds. Yes the football at the moment is pretty poor - and that has to be addressed in the transfer windows from here on in. A Just wonder how many of his detractors want to change the manager right now.........to me that would be a disaster.....I just hope Lambo can keep on an even keel until Lerner decides to sell. For all lamberts faults I honestly couldn't see anyone else doing much better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 A manager needs time or money. Lambert hasn't had much money in prem terms - and certainly not for a club regularly pulling in 36k crowds. Yes the football at the moment is pretty poor - and that has to be addressed in the transfer windows from here on in. A Just wonder how many of his detractors want to change the manager right now.........to me that would be a disaster.....I just hope Lambo can keep on an even keel until Lerner decides to sell. For all lamberts faults I honestly couldn't see anyone else doing much better. Love you signature. Describes the situation perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Completely off topic but I'd imagine we'd be in a pretty good position if we could have got Martinez when we went for him. He's a much better manager, for sure. Yet he turned down the challenge of rebuilding villa and took over an established top 7 side with a squad built over 10 yrs. Who in their right mind would want to work for Lerner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 A manager needs time or money. Lambert hasn't had much money in prem terms - and certainly not for a club regularly pulling in 36k crowds. Yes the football at the moment is pretty poor - and that has to be addressed in the transfer windows from here on in. A Just wonder how many of his detractors want to change the manager right now.........to me that would be a disaster.....I just hope Lambo can keep on an even keel until Lerner decides to sell. For all lamberts faults I honestly couldn't see anyone else doing much better. He's had over £40m. That puts him comfortably in the top half of the spending table in the time he has been here. And I'd get rid of him tomorrow, the football he plays is dire. His team punted it up to Holt at Norwich, and now we do the same with Benteke at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Completely off topic but I'd imagine we'd be in a pretty good position if we could have got Martinez when we went for him. He's a much better manager, for sure. Yet he turned down the challenge of rebuilding villa and took over an established top 7 side with a squad built over 10 yrs. Who in their right mind would want to work for Lerner? Besides the sparce resources - I would say Lerner is pretty to good to work for (for all the wrong reasons) - little interference, low expectations, not a guy who enjoys looking for managers. True if you want to conquer europe hes not your man - but if you want to manager a big club - with low expectations - I think a lot of managers would find that appealing - don't take this as me defender lerner...Im not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I find it very odd how Lambert was getting far more support from fans last season despite the fact that results-wise we were doing a lot worse. If people are so adamant that Lambert is such a bad manager or that he's not right for us, then who would come in and realistically do a better job with the resources available? A complete shambles? The complete shambles was caused by Lambert making changes too quickly which very nearly relegated us. One other point. I find it incredulous that our league position at the same time last year was excused by too early in the season to judge syndrome yet our position this season is accepted as a note of improvement. That's just rewriting history. We were a shambles before Lambert even arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 A manager needs time or money. Lambert hasn't had much money in prem terms - and certainly not for a club regularly pulling in 36k crowds. Yes the football at the moment is pretty poor - and that has to be addressed in the transfer windows from here on in. A Just wonder how many of his detractors want to change the manager right now.........to me that would be a disaster.....I just hope Lambo can keep on an even keel until Lerner decides to sell. For all lamberts faults I honestly couldn't see anyone else doing much better. He's had over £40m. That puts him comfortably in the top half of the spending table in the time he has been here. And I'd get rid of him tomorrow, the football he plays is dire. His team punted it up to Holt at Norwich, and now we do the same with Benteke at Villa. Fair enough - at least youre forthright with your opinion. Personally I think sacking him tomorrow would be a disaster - but given Lerners low expectations it isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Just been watching MOTD and saw Lambert saying we're "on a bit if a run at the moment". W1 D3 L0. Fabulous "run". Just shows how low our expectations have been dragged under the current regime. We are unbeaten in four games, I'd call that a bit of a run. Exactly. It's also worth noting that Benteke scored 19 out of 47 goals in the premier league last season - just over 40%. With him firing blanks at the moment, what is essential the same team have managed to stem the tide of goals against but we are finding it difficult at the other end to beat teams like Sunderland. Having said that, thus far Benteke has produced only 30% of our goals indicating that the rest of the team is becoming more productive in both attack and defence. And we're currently 10th. If we can get Benteke firing again I think we're not doing as badly as we think. It's not pretty that's for sure, but rarely is something pretty in the construction stages. Last season's Benteke + this season's defence is a top 8 team I reckon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Steve Posted December 1, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) A manager needs time or money. Lambert hasn't had much money in prem terms - and certainly not for a club regularly pulling in 36k crowds. Yes the football at the moment is pretty poor - and that has to be addressed in the transfer windows from here on in. A Just wonder how many of his detractors want to change the manager right now.........to me that would be a disaster.....I just hope Lambo can keep on an even keel until Lerner decides to sell. For all lamberts faults I honestly couldn't see anyone else doing much better. He's had over £40m. That puts him comfortably in the top half of the spending table in the time he has been here. And I'd get rid of him tomorrow, the football he plays is dire. His team punted it up to Holt at Norwich, and now we do the same with Benteke at Villa. And replace with whom exactly? I love how the detractors lay out the criticisms without any solutions. Lambert has had to rebuild an entire squad. At least 15 players came in for around the £40-41m mark in two seasons. With quite a few players leaving that re-couped around £10m. We have been outspent by the likes of Swansea, Southampton, Sunderland, West Ham. Yet, we are presently above some of those teams in the league. We have rescued 7 points from losing positions so far this season. Under previous management, we would have capitulated. We are a younger, fitter and more determined team. Yes, there are faults that need to be addressed but we are still playing big wages to players for nothing. Lambert re-signed Guzan who is an integral part of the team. Kept faith in Delph after some very bad injuries and now he looks one of our best players Despite his lack of form, Benteke is still highly valued by many. Is prepared to find value for money outside of the Premier League. Is passionate about the club, fans and has a vision he wants to build. Willing to rotate and rest players Isn't playing key players out of position consistently Shown his tactical skill and willingness to gamble: For example, bringing on Lowton so Bacuna could push-up and he scores from a free kick against Cardiff. Throwing on our non-match fit players against West Brom and turns defeat into a draw. He's prepared to try different formations and plans: Bringing on two wide players against Sunderland when we could not break them down. Almost paid off. After the disappointments and failures of previous managers, Lambert's approach in many ways is a breath of fresh-air. He's still early in the job and we won't go anywhere by sacking him now. The standard of football is better than anything McLeish served up. Edited December 1, 2013 by The_Steve 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Would just add Norwich to the list of teams who outspent us this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) I don't think I've ever agreed with a post less. Lambert, a breath of fresh air? If you can say that with a straight face after watching yesterday's game (and most other matches this season), then I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking. And the football is no better than McLeish's at all. Lowest possession and lowest pass rate in the Premier League, and the most long balls. It's not even as good as Pulis's football tbh. Edited December 1, 2013 by Risso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I find it very odd how Lambert was getting far more support from fans last season despite the fact that results-wise we were doing a lot worse. If people are so adamant that Lambert is such a bad manager or that he's not right for us, then who would come in and realistically do a better job with the resources available? This time last year he was 13 games into the job. Now he has been here for knocking on one and half seasons. I'd imagine the longer he is here the less slack he will be given. I don't think many currently want to see him sacked do they. In fact I have only seen one poster state they do. Last season just after the Christmas period a few more, certainly on here, wanted him out. Results wise we have improved this season. I do however think we are benefiting from some good fortune this season which we didn't for much of last season. The last two games for example I think last season would have seen Sessegnon take his two excellent chances and West Brom would have gone to win by 5 or 6. Yesterday the almost open goal chance for Sunderland would also have been scored. Luckily this season we are getting a bit more rub of the green. Going forward in the short term we could certainly do with a couple of results this week as if not after we have played Man Utd in 2 weeks we could be sitting on 16 points from 16 games. We currently also have one win in our last 7 so I'd say a win from one of our next couple would be most welcome and keep a few more from getting on Lamberts back, Beyond that I'd say unless he gets far better backing from the owner then I guess the best we can hope for is being mid to lower table fodder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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