CrackpotForeigner Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I wouldn't expect or want Randy/Villa to vote any other way as it is absolutely not in our interest to see such rules introduced. So you recognise that RL is putting his money into the club, and you still want a different owner. I'm baffled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 each club should just simply spend within their own capabilities, why try and break the bank to compete with chelsea? or why should chelsea be capped to match fulham for example, who no doubt have a smaller fan base and income Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 18, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 18, 2012 So you recognise that RL is putting his money into the club, and you still want a different owner. I'm baffled. Yeah you clearly are as you appearing to be attempting to read my mind and doing a bad job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yeah you clearly are as you appearing to be attempting to read my mind and doing a bad job of it. I'll have you know that if I read your mind I'd do a damned good job of it. But I don't understand your position. You want a different owner, correct? And if, as you say, it's not in our interests to cap spending, you presumably expect some spending, which would have to come from the owner you want replaced. So either you DON'T want him replaced OR you fancy our chances of finding someone else with as much spare cash, OR there is a third way that you are hopefully about to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 18, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 18, 2012 But I don't understand your position. You want a different owner, correct? And if, as you say, it's not in our interests to cap spending, you presumably expect some spending, which would have to come from the owner you want replaced. So either you DON'T want him replaced OR you fancy our chances of finding someone else with as much spare cash, OR there is a third way that you are hopefully about to explain. Well if you don't understand my position then ask mate, I'm happy to clarify I'd much rather than than people presume or second guess and put words in my mouth. No I don't want a different owner, I don't recall ever having posted as such if I have I'd be surprised and it would likely have been in anger at one of our darker moments but still I'm not sure I've ever gone so far. I've been highly critical of Lerner, far more than most and certainly longer than all but one poster I can think of. Being critical of someone isn't the same as wanting them replaced though. For instance I've been critical of some of Lambert's decisions and probably will be again in coming weeks but I still want him as our manager. With Lerner my criticism is stronger and more long standing, I would say with good reason. I remain highly doubtful that he retains much in the way of ambition for us or if I'm honest anywhere near the same level of interest or commitment. All those things said I'm not foolish enough to think that there are some oil rich owners waiting to step in and do a Chelsea or Man City. I am realistic enough to know there are plenty of Carson Yeung type characters that could do far far far worse. In my book Randy hasn't done a good job, he has made a bloody mess of things. His only saving graces for me are that I think he is a decent guy, well intentioned and someone who ethically at least will do or try to right by us as a club and fans. For those reasons I haven't to my memory ever called for him to go because we could do far far worse and are more likely to do worse than better. So that is my stance on Lerner, but this should really be in the thread about him rather than this one. As for my view on financial fair play, it is not in my view in our best interests whatever Lerner's intentions for this window or the future. Beyond that it doesn't mean anything else, my expectations in relation to spending are that we will only look to spend within our means or close too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I wish you could " like" mod posts as I fecking love that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Those who want to spend will find a way to bypass fair play rules. Those who don't want to spend will use it as an excuse not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 18, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 18, 2012 Anthony Pilkington from Norwich would be just what we need. Might be a little old at 24 though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardvillan Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Ince off to Liverpool. Shame, I would have liked to see him at VILLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 You just know that it's not gonna work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Anthony Pilkington from Norwich would be just what we need. Might be a little old at 24 though Yeah he sounds passed it to me. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ince off to Liverpool. Shame, I would have liked to see him at VILLA. You just know that it's not gonna work out Yep. Right move wrong club. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 just means we'll be able to pick him up for half the price and lower wages in 12 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrathisGOD Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Would love Pilkington. He's being called up to the next Ireland squad too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Would love Pilkington. He's being called up to the next Ireland squad too. I'd love Pilkington and Hoolahan. Think they're both the types of players we're in need of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Well if you don't understand my position then ask mate, I'm happy to clarify I'd much rather than than people presume or second guess and put words in my mouth. No I don't want a different owner, I don't recall ever having posted as such if I have I'd be surprised and it would likely have been in anger at one of our darker moments but still I'm not sure I've ever gone so far. I've been highly critical of Lerner, far more than most and certainly longer than all but one poster I can think of. Being critical of someone isn't the same as wanting them replaced though. For instance I've been critical of some of Lambert's decisions and probably will be again in coming weeks but I still want him as our manager. With Lerner my criticism is stronger and more long standing, I would say with good reason. I remain highly doubtful that he retains much in the way of ambition for us or if I'm honest anywhere near the same level of interest or commitment. All those things said I'm not foolish enough to think that there are some oil rich owners waiting to step in and do a Chelsea or Man City. I am realistic enough to know there are plenty of Carson Yeung type characters that could do far far far worse. In my book Randy hasn't done a good job, he has made a bloody mess of things. His only saving graces for me are that I think he is a decent guy, well intentioned and someone who ethically at least will do or try to right by us as a club and fans. For those reasons I haven't to my memory ever called for him to go because we could do far far worse and are more likely to do worse than better. So that is my stance on Lerner, but this should really be in the thread about him rather than this one. As for my view on financial fair play, it is not in my view in our best interests whatever Lerner's intentions for this window or the future. Beyond that it doesn't mean anything else, my expectations in relation to spending are that we will only look to spend within our means or close too. Ok. Agree with most of this. He has made some howlers alright. Personally I go easy on him because in the end I'm still glad he's the owner. I suspect that PL would be able to spend more on transfer fees if he wanted, but that PL takes pride in not needing to ask for too much cash to work his miracles. Then again this is the first transfer window since the Browns were sold, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quizme Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'd love Pilkington and Hoolahan. Think they're both the types of players we're in need of. Pilkington I agree with, think we need to find the next Hoolahan though not the one that plays for Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Pilkington I agree with, think we need to find the next Hoolahan though not the one that plays for Norwich. Why would you not want the one who plays for Norwich? I'd like the new Hoolahan as well as the Hoolahan because I think we could do with some of his expereince. I'm not one that thinks experience automatically equals quality but he seems to be someone who has a positive effect on his team-mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quizme Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Why would you not want the one who plays for Norwich? I'd like the new Hoolahan as well as the Hoolahan because I think we could do with some of his expereince. I'm not one that thinks experience automatically equals quality but he seems to be someone who has a positive effect on his team-mates. Because he is 31 years old in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Because he is 31 years old in May. Yeah, I know what you're saying, It's a good idea to build a whole squad that grows together. I just feel we're missing a leading experienced player who knows when to rally people up but can also be a calming influence, someone who can help build and contribute to solid attacks. I still feel Lambert didn't buy a second choice to Dempsey, so that type of transfer could be made in January. But who knows, maybe Lambert wasn't planning on a 'Dempsey type' but saw the transfer option as too good a bargain to turn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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