lexicon Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 For how many years has our net spend been negaitive? Evidence would be nice. Sold who of any note Milner, Young and Downing? Bought Makoun, Bent, Given, Hutton, N'Zog, Vlaar, Lowton, KEA. Thinking 1 season max of negative net expenditure, but if you could provide the figures that would be nice. Just go look on wikipedia you lazy git. 06/07 - negative 07/08 - negative 08/09 - negative 09/10 - negative 10/11 - negative, just. (Bent/Milner pretty much broke even - plus Makoun who tipped it) 11/12 - positive, finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanisgod Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 A lot depends on how the first half of the season pans out, come Jan we might not have a choice if we're not giving him the kind of service he needs. But for the money we'd likely get for him I think you're being optimistic with the 4 or 5 I think 3 is probably closer to the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 No. because then we would be lacking a goal scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 21, 2012 Moderator Share Posted August 21, 2012 Well, ten and half days left and it looks like it's doom and gloom time. Not long now til we can have a good gnash and wail in the peaceful knowledge that nothing else can go right. I like this bit of the transfer window, it's concentrated and that bit more fun - like the big lump of flavour you sometimes find in the bottom corner of a bag of monster munch - all the good bits in one go at the end. Here's hoping the next ten days leave us with beefy enough fingers to not keep the samaritans too busy. Hang in there kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Would anyone sell Bent if it meant getting 4 or 5 players in for the positions we need? Just a question as opposed to what I think we should do. Yep. £20m and he'd be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanisgod Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Sorry do you mean negative as in spent more than we recouped? I would take anegative net expediture to mean we made more in sales than we spent in fees. If so what's your point? Thought you were arguing that Lerner hasn't spent any money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 For how many years has our net spend been negaitive? Evidence would be nice.Bear in mind some of these figures are guesstimates/approximations at best... [table] [mrow color=brown:7a929ffbb4] SEASON [mcol] REVENUE [mcol] DEPARTURES [mcol] EXPENDITURE [mcol] ARRIVALS [mcol] TOTAL [mrow color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] 12/13 [mcol] 2.816.000 £ [mcol] 4 [mcol] 9.108.000 £ [mcol] 5 [mcol] -6.292.000 £ [row color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] Summer [col] 2.816.000 £ [col] 4 [col] 9.108.000 £ [col] 5 [col] -6.292.000 £ [row color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] Winter [col] - [col] - [col] - [col] - [col] - [mrow] 11/12 [mcol] 38.495.600 £ [mcol] 28 [mcol] 17.894.800 £ [mcol] 17 [mcol] 20.600.800 £ [row] Summer [col] 38.495.600 £ [col] 23 [col] 17.644.000 £ [col] 10 [col] 20.851.600 £ [row] Winter [col] - [col] 5 [col] 250.800 £ [col] 7 [col] -250.800 £ [mrow color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] 10/11 [mcol] 24.992.000 £ [mcol] 25 [mcol] 32.912.000 £ [mcol] 23 [mcol] -7.920.000 £ [row color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] Summer [col] 20.944.000 £ [col] 13 [col] 8.536.000 £ [col] 16 [col] 12.408.000 £ [row color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] Winter [col] 4.048.000 £ [col] 12 [col] 24.376.000 £ [col] 7 [col] -20.328.000 £ [mrow] 09/10 [mcol] 19.448.000 £ [mcol] 18 [mcol] 41.272.000 £ [mcol] 28 [mcol] -21.824.000 £ [row] Summer [col] 16.368.000 £ [col] 15 [col] 41.272.000 £ [col] 23 [col] -24.904.000 £ [row] Winter [col] 3.080.000 £ [col] 3 [col] - [col] 5 [col] 3.080.000 £ [mrow color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] 08/09 [mcol] 3.317.600 £ [mcol] 15 [mcol] 49.192.000 £ [mcol] 20 [mcol] -45.874.400 £ [row color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] Summer [col] 2.728.000 £ [col] 13 [col] 45.936.000 £ [col] 15 [col] -43.208.000 £ [row color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] Winter [col] 589.600 £ [col] 2 [col] 3.256.000 £ [col] 5 [col] -2.666.400 £ [mrow] 07/08 [mcol] 19.052.000 £ [mcol] 20 [mcol] 21.472.000 £ [mcol] 12 [mcol] -2.420.000 £ [row] Summer [col] 10.472.000 £ [col] 17 [col] 19.976.000 £ [col] 8 [col] -9.504.000 £ [row] Winter [col] 8.580.000 £ [col] 3 [col] 1.496.000 £ [col] 4 [col] 7.084.000 £ [mrow color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] 06/07 [mcol] 1.606.000 £ [mcol] 17 [mcol] 21.736.000 £ [mcol] 20 [mcol] -20.130.000 £ [row color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] Summer [col] 1.144.000 £ [col] 12 [col] 8.800.000 £ [col] 14 [col] -7.656.000 £ [row color=cyan:7a929ffbb4] Winter [col] 462.000 £ [col] 5 [col] 12.936.000 £ [col] 6 [col] -12.474.000 £[/table] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Sorry do you mean negative as in spent more than we recouped? I would take anegative net expediture to mean we made more in sales than we spent in fees. If so what's your point? Thought you were arguing that Lerner hasn't spent any money? That's what I meant by it yeah (spending more than recouping) but I wasn't arguing anything - I wasn't arguing anything, I'm pro-Lerner as it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Well, ten and half days left and it looks like it's doom and gloom time. Not long now til we can have a good gnash and wail in the peaceful knowledge that nothing else can go right. I like this bit of the transfer window, it's concentrated and that bit more fun - like the big lump of flavour you sometimes find in the bottom corner of a bag of monster munch - all the good bits in one go at the end. Here's hoping the next ten days leave us with beefy enough fingers to not keep the samaritans too busy. Hang in there kids.I prefer the flavouring spread evenly throughout my pickled onion Monster Munch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaInGreece Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 bored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The crux of the arguement stanthemanisgod is: Spend money GOOD No spend BAD. The, you know, economics of a business and all that don't matter. Spend spend spend spend spend is all thats needed....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanisgod Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Also considering the Milner deal was effectively a part ex with Ireland coming here and the fact we've probably paid a few of the add ons for Bent now I doubt they get close to balancing. what was it £18m plus Ireland for Milner and £18m rising to £23 for Bent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Who feckin appointed those managers in the first place. Would you prefer the owner mandate to any prospective/future managers whom they can and cannot sign? I think Lerner's record of signing managers to date speaks for itself.You haven't answered the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 When you take into account both transfers AND wages the club loses about £50-60 million a year. That money is made up for by Lerner putting his own cash into the club, taking it out of his own savings. When Doug was running the club he wasn't putting any cash into the club, let alone £60 million a season. Instead he was taking a fee out of the club and paying himself from the club's income. There is no comparison to be made between Doug and Lerner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 No. because then we would be lacking a goal scorer. We seem to be in the worst position possible at the moment. We finally have a quality manager who will play good football and always try to win but he is restricted by what seems to be an Everton-esque budget and our squad is not really good enough for anything above a bottom half finish. We finally have a quality number 9 who could get 20+ goals a season but no supply and potentially little funds to bring in a supply line. My fingers are still crossed that PL is working on some deals but the closer we get to August 31st the less likely that will be. It will also become more volatile on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 No. because then we would be lacking a goal scorer. We seem to be in the worst position possible at the moment. We finally have a quality manager who will play good football and always try to win but he is restricted by what seems to be an Everton-esque budget and our squad is not really good enough for anything above a bottom half finish. We finally have a quality number 9 who could get 20+ goals a season but no supply and potentially little funds to bring in a supply line. My fingers are still crossed that PL is working on some deals but the closer we get to August 31st the less likely that will be. It will also become more volatile on here... Yeah we are in quite the predicament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 For how many years has our net spend been negaitive? Evidence would be nice. Sold who of any note Milner, Young and Downing? Bought Makoun, Bent, Given, Hutton, N'Zog, Vlaar, Lowton, KEA. Thinking 1 season max of negative net expenditure, but if you could provide the figures that would be nice. Just go look on wikipedia you lazy git. 06/07 - negative 07/08 - negative 08/09 - negative 09/10 - negative 10/11 - negative, just. (Bent/Milner pretty much broke even - plus Makoun who tipped it) 11/12 - positive, finally. How did we get a positive net spend last season? We sold Downing and Young for £36m and brought in CNZ (£10m), Given (£4m) and Hutton (£4m). Unless we paid Spurs £20m for the Jenas loan deal...actually that's probably what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 For how many years has our net spend been negaitive? Evidence would be nice. Sold who of any note Milner, Young and Downing? Bought Makoun, Bent, Given, Hutton, N'Zog, Vlaar, Lowton, KEA. Thinking 1 season max of negative net expenditure, but if you could provide the figures that would be nice. Just go look on wikipedia you lazy git. 06/07 - negative 07/08 - negative 08/09 - negative 09/10 - negative 10/11 - negative, just. (Bent/Milner pretty much broke even - plus Makoun who tipped it) 11/12 - positive, finally. How did we get a positive net spend last season? We sold Downing and Young for £36m and brought in CNZ (£10m), Given (£4m) and Hutton (£4m). Unless we paid Spurs £20m for the Jenas loan deal...actually that's probably what happened. I think that is just a misunderstanding...swap positive for negative, just different meaning/interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanisgod Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think the neagaive and positive have got confused. Look like 11/12 is the only year we can accuse Lerner of not spending any money, although even with that (negative) net spend the club still ran at a loss so he did spend some money anyway. So hardly years of negative net spend eh Big JC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 When you take into account both transfers AND wages the club loses about £50-60 million a year. That money is made up for by Lerner putting his own cash into the club, taking it out of his own savings. When Doug was running the club he wasn't putting any cash into the club, let alone £60 million a season. Instead he was taking a fee out of the club and paying himself from the club's income. There is no comparison to be made between Doug and Lerner. And yet the club is now performing no different to Doug's last season, has alienated a number of fans through lies to the fanbase, operating a sell to buy policy and little hope of actually managing to be anywhere near 'successful' in the near future. So the only difference is that we're now losing £50million a season. He needs to sell up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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