VillaChris Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Hopefully they will explain what that 2nd half performance was all about Much worse than anything Capello dished up 0-0 against Algeria anyone? Easy to forget how awful England were in the last world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Cole is usually a good penalty taker. He's scored both times in the Chelsea champions league final shoot outs and also for England in the Portugal 2004 penalties. Just Buffon psyched him out on this occasion. I think it was the Pirlo penalty psyched England out, Young look petrified and Cole is usually solid penalty taker like you said Yeah that's true Zat. Pirlo chipping it majestically would've certainly put a bit of doubt back in the England players and so it proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 That 2nd half was as bad as I can recall That includes the Algeria game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 A clip on the news earlier showed Pirlo doing that type of penalty years ago and it being saved as the goalkeeper stood still. Took bottle to do it again and I reckon their research indicated Hart always dives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 25, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2012 Most keepers always dive to be honest. In fact, if we had a keeper who didn't guess a direction and dive every time, I'd be annoyed because they'd never save any penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 25, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2012 Cole is usually a good penalty taker. He's scored both times in the Chelsea champions league final shoot outs and also for England in the Portugal 2004 penalties. Just Buffon psyched him out on this occasion. I think it was the Pirlo penalty psyched England out, Young look petrified and Cole is usually solid penalty taker like you said Yeah that's true Zat. Pirlo chipping it majestically would've certainly put a bit of doubt back in the England players and so it proved. Yep, and Young missing meant we were doomed from there on, even though we were still level. I think we all, players included, simultaneously thought "Here we go" when Young hit the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laivasse Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Most keepers always dive to be honest. In fact, if we had a keeper who didn't guess a direction and dive every time, I'd be annoyed because they'd never save any penalties.I seem to remember hearing somewhere that, statistically speaking, keepers would save more if they always stood in the centre compared to if they always dived. Of course that leaves out the psychological factor, where players would deliberately pass it into the corners against a keeper who had a rep for standing stock still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 26, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2012 Exactly. PLayers put it down the middle becuase they know keepers always dive. But if keepers never dived, then they'd just stick it in the corner. You have to dive as a keeper, and if you wait until the player shooting has kicked the ball, you simply don't have time to react (unless they kick it very slowly) You have to guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 One of Australia's keepers, Željko Kalac, would often wait till the kick before diving. Obviously he wouldn't save many shots with power into the sides but he would save a lot of kicks down the middle plus a lot where players tried to place it. I think I remember Guzan having a similar style on penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 i always pass my penalties into top corner. hard to get to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 26, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2012 On FIFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I was talking to my mate the other day about penalty strategies and I reckon if the manager told each player where they would put it before they took the penalty, it would take a lot of the pressure off the player and the stress they are under when trying to guess what the keeper is going to do. This also means the player could practice that specific penalty, because lets face it, an international player in any position should have the skill to place a ball with power into any part of the net. It also means the player knows what he's going to do before he takes it, he can't change his mind and think 'will I, won't I?'. I just think it would take much of the decision making pressure away from the situation, which I believe is the main stress of taking a penalty. And at the end of the day, if they miss, they just followed an order and it takes the blame from them. Just something to think about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Dont play FIFA chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I was talking to my mate the other day about penalty strategies and I reckon if the manager told each player where they would put it before they took the penalty, it would take a lot of the pressure off the player and the stress they are under when trying to guess what the keeper is going to do. if it was a McLeish team players would just take sideways penalties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 26, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2012 Dont play FIFA chief Was only joking matey Passing it into the top corner is obviously the best way. Pretty hard to do though, especially under pressure. Interesting idea, Lapal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormandyVillan Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 lets face it, an international player in any position should have the skill to place a ball with power into any part of the net. That's what I've always thought. Why don't players just practise hitting the ball hard into the top corner? Once you've mastered that, you can just step up and do it in a match. You wpn't have to worry about the keeper guessing where you're going to put it, because he won't be able to save it even if he does. I seem to remember Shearer doing that with penalties for England in 1996. Is it harder than you might think even for top professionals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Dont play FIFA chief Was only joking matey i know man. more a PES fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Best thing to do is put it down the middle like pirlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 lets face it, an international player in any position should have the skill to place a ball with power into any part of the net. That's what I've always thought. Why don't players just practise hitting the ball hard into the top corner? Once you've mastered that, you can just step up and do it in a match. You wpn't have to worry about the keeper guessing where you're going to put it, because he won't be able to save it even if he does. I seem to remember Shearer doing that with penalties for England in 1996. Is it harder than you might think even for top professionals? It's not easy, but as with most things it's definiately something which professionals should be able to do. Keepers tend to take good penalties because they practice kicking into nets. I'm sure Joe Harts taken a few mean penos for the U21's. Gareth BArry used to say he used to know before he put the ball on the spot where he was going to go. The one time he changed his mind whilst during the run up to take a penalty is the one he missed against Reading some years back in a league game. He hit it with the outside of his left boot if I recall correctly and skied it. As I say, take the choice away, I think the convertion rate would go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 You should never change your mind during a run up anyway, always a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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