Chindie Posted April 19, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Happy Dead Jesus Afternoon Drinking Day Happy Spring Festival Afternoon Drinking Day, pls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted April 19, 2019 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Chindie said: Happy Spring Festival Afternoon Drinking Day, pls. Nowhere near offensive enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 19, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, bickster said: Nowhere near offensive enough I'd argue subtly more offensive - completely rejecting Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted April 19, 2019 Administrator Share Posted April 19, 2019 Ah, Easter. The celebration of the very essence of what defines Christianity, but no-one thought to write down the date So a pagan festival had to be appropriated, along with it's collection of pagan symbols, believers make icons of eggs and bunnies on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the solar equinox. Sounds legit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I like chocolate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 13/04/2019 at 06:29, Chindie said: It never fails to raise a surge of pride in my heart every time the elderly Jehovah troop skips past my house on their rounds. Shame on you. I do my civic duty and keep them long as possible. I keep them talking and explaining stuff to them. You are letting them prey on the potentially more gullible. Sadly they seem to be avoiding me now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: There Is No One Like Jesus There is no one like Jesus, Our Savior and Lord The message is timeless The price we could not afford. On the cross He bore our shame Suffering, He died, Our souls to reclaim. Three days later He rose from the grave Purchased our pardon, We are no longer enslaved. What is your actual evidence for believing this, Mr Rugeley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: What is your actual evidence for believing this, Mr Rugeley? I have no evidence. I like every other person only has a belief. Show me the evidence that it’s not true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: I have no evidence. I like every other person only has a belief. Show me the evidence that it’s not true? I am not making the claim that it is true. I can show you no more evidence that an angel did not come to a woman and foretell of some kind immaculate conception than for fairies under my garden shed. But there is a whack load of absence of evidence for their existence. So you believe in something that you have no evidence for. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: I am not making the claim that it is true. I can show you no more evidence that an angel did not come to a woman and foretell of some kind immaculate conception than for fairies under my garden shed. But there is a whack load of absence of evidence for their existence. So you believe in something that you have no evidence for. Fair enough. If I’m being honest, no I don’t believe everything that is in the bible. I do believe in a higher power though, and I think religion can guide people in a positive way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: If I’m being honest, no I don’t believe everything that is in the bible. I do believe in a higher power though, and I think religion can guide people in a positive way. Fair enough. So I presume you don't believe that Jesus was literally the son of god? If so the little prayer you posted does not quite make sense, at least not to me. OK, you believe in a "higher power". Is this like a personal higher power, that is represented in the Abrahamic religions? eg this higher power actually cares about you and me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted April 19, 2019 Administrator Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said: If I’m being honest, no I don’t believe everything that is in the bible. I do believe in a higher power though, and I think religion can guide people in a positive way. Can it also guide them in a negative way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 19, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2019 I think @Brumerican first linked this here years ago, but it's well worth watching Tl;dw - Jesus has a remarkably similar story to a great many other saviour deities, and there's vanishingly little evidence that a preacher called Jesus existed at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chindie said: I think @Brumerican first linked this here years ago, but it's well worth watching Tl;dw - Jesus has a remarkably similar story to a great many other saviour deities, and there's vanishingly little evidence that a preacher called Jesus existed at all. I have not watched the video and I am sure it is quite erudite on the subject matter. I am guessing the problem with this kind of argument is, it is all brain and no heart. Religion has wormed its way into some people's hearts the same way science has into mine. So people I think can understand the logic behind the arguments against (certain aspects) of a particular religion, but things like science and logic might not meet everyone's needs. So to win people over from religion, an emotional hook is needed. God knows what that might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, fruitvilla said: Fair enough. So I presume you don't believe that Jesus was literally the son of god? If so the little prayer you posted does not quite make sense, at least not to me. OK, you believe in a "higher power". Is this like a personal higher power, that is represented in the Abrahamic religions? eg this higher power actually cares about you and me? I wouldn’t say I don’t believe it no. My belief system is that there is quite possibly a god. I believe in the devil and evil, so it makes sense that I believe in god and good over evil. I believe that there is power in Christ. In terms of higher power then I suppose you could have all sorts of things whether it be personal or not. I think if you reach out to Jesus and open yourself up on the religious path then you will be guided by Jesus and the light and love of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, limpid said: Can it also guide them in a negative way? Of course, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, fruitvilla said: I have not watched the video and I am sure it is quite erudite on the subject matter. I am guessing the problem with this kind of argument is, it is all brain and no heart. Religion has wormed its way into some people's hearts the same way science has into mine. So people I think can understand the logic behind the arguments against (certain aspects) of a particular religion, but things like science and logic might not meet everyone's needs. So to win people over from religion, an emotional hook is needed. God knows what that might be. I totally get this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I believe in the devil and evil, so it makes sense that I believe in god and good over evil. What are the planetary genocide stats for both candidates ? Is drowning kids good ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I wouldn’t say I don’t believe it no. So you think it is a reasonable possibility Jesus is the son of God? But you might be skeptical that an angel foretold of the immaculate conception, but it was immaculate nevertheless? If so what persuades you? 7 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: My belief system is that there is quite possibly a god. I believe in the devil and evil This does not quite make sense to me Mr Rugeley. You believe God is a possibility, fair enough; but, you believe (apparently unconditionally) there is a devil? 10 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I think if you reach out to Jesus and open yourself up on the religious path then you will be guided by Jesus and the light and love of Christ Is this not a bit of a tautology? Perhaps, I think I see the light now without having any fantastic beliefs? What are my reasons for needing this belief. Here are some sayings reportedly from Jesus: Otherwise, avoid rules and follow the truth you discover yourself. Act from awareness, not habit or convention. Don’t blindly repeat rituals. Don’t trust those with spiritual pretensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I totally get this . So you agree a logical or reasoned argument won't win you over and that those of us who wish to proselytize atheism should be reaching for an emotional hook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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