Jimmy Savile And Other Paedophiles

[bickster]

And then there's the exclusion of Jersey from the enquiry. Not that anyone would want to hide how many times Morning Cloud was seen in the harbour or anything like that….

[blandy]

when they select people to sit on juries, don't they ask a few simple "vetting questions" - like "do you know or have you had previous contact with (the accused)" and stuff like that. Surely on that kind of simple principle it's clearly obvious that the 2 people they've so far picked to chair this investigation are not suitable. They should know that. They wouldn't be able to sit on a jury to judge (say) Leon Brittan, so why on earth are they suitable to chair an enquiry in which his role is part.

Like Chrisp says, there's cock up (they're competent, but made an error) and then there's incompetent (keeps making the same mistake) and finally there's cover-up/conspiracy.

I dunno if it's the second, or third of those, but it's not the first.

[bickster]

Well if the latest rumour today is true its definitely the last option. Apparently the government have now slapped no less than three D notices on stories about a cabinet minister and Elm Guest House

[peterms]

Elm Guest House should figure prominently in any investigation. Among other things, it would be helpful to check out the picture doing the rounds, showing what purports to be a list of celebs and dignitaries who visited. It's not a register, just a handwritten list, so it could be anything or nothing.

What's intriguing about the list is the names on it. People like Leon Brittan and Cliff Richard.

I expect any investigation will show there's no connection between this list and any actual child abuse. It will be a relief to us all when these prominent people are finally cleared of the smutty and frankly objectionable innuendoes that have been levelled at them for so many years.

[peterms]

So Fiona Woolf has had to step down. It was suggested she is part of "The Establishment", whatever that may be. Sounds like something off TW3 circa 1963. And all because she couldn't quite recall if she had had dinner with Leon Brittan a few times.

Its an easy mistake to make. I'm sure if I'd had dinner with Leon Brittan, I might not remember after a week or so.

But as for Ms Woolf being a member of "The Establishment", it's simply not so. She's a cockey gel, salt of the earth, who likes nothing better than to dress up as Pearly Kings and Queens. I have obtained photographic evidence of this, which I offer here in the poor lady's defence.

[peterms]

Tory MP investigated over murder of boy during sex attack

Detectives are investigating an allegation that a young boy was murdered by a Conservative MP during a sickening sex attack.

Scotland Yard, under ‘Operation Midland’, is also investigating a claim that a second boy was murdered during a depraved sexual assault in the presence of a former Conservative cabinet minister. In addition, it is investigating the murder of a third boy...

[bickster]

I await the cover up….

[Xann]

Who are Exaro?

 

If there is substance to this, it would explain why they're so keen to keep the investigation in house.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

Their wiki page makes for interesting reading. Based on that they seem pretty legit. But then it is wiki.

National news are running with it too.

[bickster]

Who are Exaro?

 

If there is substance to this, it would explain why they're so keen to keep the investigation in house.

People have been trying to get this story out for years. If investigated properly this really could change the political landscape forever.

I have no confidence this will happen though.

Its not just the sickening crimes, its the subsequent cover up that should rock the political system in this country to its very core.

Its a story of such magnitude that it'll make people forget all about immigration

[peterms]

Fuller version of the story here.

 

 

A victim of the Westminster paedophile abuse scandal has claimed he saw a Conservative MP murder a young boy during a depraved sex party.

 

And the Sunday People can reveal that detectives are investigating THREE murders allegedly linked to a network of VIP perverts.

 

The horrifying account comes days after Scotland Yard confirmed they have launched a murder probe ­connected to allegations of sex abuse from the 1970s and 80s.

 

Today the Sunday People and Exaro investigations agency expose the full extent of shocking events the witness, known as Nick, has described to the Metropolitan Police paedophile unit.

 

Nick claims the first death was of a boy aged ten or 11 who was ­deliberately run down by a car.

 

Another chilling allegation is that he was in the same room in the 1980s when a 12-year-old boy was strangled by a Tory MP.

 

Nick said: “I watched while that happened. I am not sure how I got out of that. Whether I will ever know why I survived, I am not sure.”

 

Eighteen months later, he claims a third boy was killed by two unknown men in front of another MP.

 

Nick told of his terror as he and the strangling victim were driven to an orgy.

 

He said: “We looked at each other and saw the fear in each other’s eyes. We said nothing.

 

“I knew we were being taken somewhere to be sexually abused by powerful men.

 

“But I had no idea of the true horror of what was about to happen.”

 

Nick had been picked up at an agreed meeting point. He recalled: “The car was ­chauffeur-driven although I can’t ­remember the make.

 

“Cars were sent to take us to various locations to be abused. They were often luxury cars with a chauffeur.

 

“They would be dark in colour – Jaguars, Rolls-Royces, Daimlers or Range Rovers.”

 

He was driven to a location in ­central London. On the way the car stopped to pick up another lad.

 

Nick says the boy had brown hair and was aged around 12 but he never discovered his name.

 

Both lads sat in silence for fear of punishment.

 

They arrived at a luxury townhouse and were taken inside.

 

Nick, still traumatised by what he witnessed, has given a graphic and harrowing account to police about what took place.

 

In hours of video testimony, he ­described how he saw the Conservative MP – who was sitting in Parliament at the time – throttle the boy.

 

He said: “The MP was particularly nasty, even among the group of people who sexually abused me and others. I still find it difficult to talk about these incidents after all these years.”

 

A second witness has already ­corroborated some of the information related to the case, lending weight to Nick’s claims and strengthening his credibility in the eyes of the police.

 

Nick has also told detectives about the death of another boy during a ­depraved sexual assault in the presence of a Conservative minister – a different MP to the one involved in the first killing.

Nick believes the car killing was a warning to him.

 

He says someone in the paedophile network deliberately ran over and killed a boy in broad daylight on a London street. He is convinced the perverts were demonstrating their power and showing what could happen if he spoke out.

Nick said his abusive father supplied him to a group of MPs and other VIPs who held abuse parties at Dolphin Square – an apartment complex in Pimlico, near Parliament – and at other locations in London.

 

He says the ­minister repeatedly raped him and other boys aged between ten and 14.

 

His claims are being investigated by police under Operation Midland, a strand of the Operation Fairbank ­inquiry set up to examine allegations of historical child abuse.

 

Exaro helped to arrange for Nick to pass his crucial testimony to the Met.

 

On Friday, the Met announced Operation Midland was now ­investigating “possible homicide”.

 

A statement said: “Detectives from the child abuse investigation command are working closely with colleagues from homicide and major crime ­concerning this information.”

 

Nick insisted a reporter from Exaro was present at a meeting with detectives when he gave them the name of the MP who allegedly murdered the boy, along with a list of other ­prominent people who he says sexually and ­physically abused him.

He also helped compile “e-fit” ­pictures of the murdered boys.

 

Nick went on: “There will be other people who know about the punishment and abuse carried out by this group - drivers of the cars who took the boys to venues, staff at the venues. Perhaps they can now come forward.”

 

He said he was taken to Dolphin Square at least ten times when parties were held. Different men would enter and leave during the evening.

 

Nick was around 11 when he first went there for a Christmas party.

 

He recalled: “We would be ordered not to speak to each other.

 

“Sometimes I would be driven there with other children. On other occasions I would be driven there alone and joined other children there.”

 

He described being led to a heavily curtained flat via several flights of stairs and a “dimly lit, musty” corridor.

 

And he added: “We were asked if we wanted a drink. It was always ­whisky. Both MPs were brutal. I was raped over a bath-tub while my head was beneath the water.”

 

He claimed one MP told him to thrash another lad and “sexually ­punished” him when he refused.

 

Last week we told how Nick, now in his 40s, had identified a shamed top diplomat and MI6 chief as one of his attackers.

 

He picked out a photo of Sir Peter Hayman – a former deputy director of the secret service.

 

Hayman, for many years a pillar of the establishment, caused a scandal when he was caught with paedophile literature.

 

Nick said Hayman, who died in 1992, was one of a group of men who raped him as a child.

 

He is satisfied police are taking his claims “extremely seriously”.

 

A statement by Scotland Yard said: “Our inquiries have revealed further information regarding possible homicide. Based on our current knowledge, this is the first time this information has been passed to the Met.”       

   

Police are convinced witness is credible

Investigator Mark Conrad says: “Nick’s account of his decade-long abuse – the trafficking, sexual and physical assaults and murders – and revelations about the status of the men defied belief.

 

“Unlike many abuse survivors, Nick has gone on to have a ­successful life. He is intelligent, articulate and strong-minded.

 

“His accounts are uncomfortably detailed and consistent.

 

“In July, Exaro together with the Sunday People published a report on alleged abuse at Dolphin Square.

 

“Nick agreed to meet detectives, but he insisted that I attend. Like Exaro, the police regard Nick as credible.

 

"The Met duly launched Operation Midland, and an investigation into possible homicide.”

 

[peterms]

Who are Exaro?

 

If there is substance to this, it would explain why they're so keen to keep the investigation in house.

 

It's an agency set up by investigative journalists.  When their site launched (I think about a year ago) it was subscription only, and they later opened it up.  I suppo0se they were trying to work out how to make it pay.

 

Their site says

 

 

The editorial team is led by our Editor-in-Chief, Mark Watts, journalist, author, and broadcaster. He is the co-founder of the FOIA Centre, which specialises in research using ‘open-access’ laws, such as the Freedom of Information Act.

 

He ran the investigations unit at Sunday Business as its chief investigative reporter. He has a strong track-record of breaking agenda-setting, investigative stories while working as a reporter on several national newspapers, including The Sunday Times, The Independent on Sunday, The Sunday Telegraph, and Sunday Express. He also worked on World in Action and an array of other television current-affairs programmes. 

 

His book, ‘The Fleet Street Sewer Rat’, published in 2005, exposed some of the ‘dark arts’ of British newspapers, years before the phone-hacking scandal brought down the News of the World.

 

Mark leads a team of seasoned journalists who specialise in investigations together with new talents familiar with the skills needed for data-mining.

 

Contributors to date have included: Onome Akpogheneta, George Arnett, Crina Boros, Mark Conrad, Susan Cooke, John Davison, Susan de Muth, Mike Deri Smith, Guy Eaton, Alanah Eriksen, Nick Fielding, Stephen Glover, Mojda Hashemyan, David Hencke, Martin Hickman, Nicholas Jones, Peter Jukes, Hui Shan Khoo, Naomi Lloyd, Steve Lodge, Fiona O’Cleirigh, Richard Orange, David Pallister, Andrea Perry, Keith Perry, Katharine Quarmby, Naomi Scherbel-Ball, Sorana Stanescu, Pavel Stroilov, Henry Taylor, Alex Varley-Winter, Richard Wachman, Frederika Whitehead, Roger Wilsher, Alison Winward and Tim Wood.

 

We also regularly feature commentary pieces from a wide range of experts or people who have specific insight, such as Stephen Bolsin, Jerome Booth, Liam Burns, John Brazier, Nick Brown, Lord Carlile, Lord Colville, Lord Empey, Robert Gifford, Frank Haskew, Sally Hunt, Mark Lewis, Ousmène Mandeng, David Pearl, Shonali Routray, John Sauven, Andy Slaughter, Valentina Soria and Neville Thurlbeck.

 

Our shareholders are people who have contributed materially to the development of the business model, including the editor-in-chief and key members of the management team.  

 

There is no link between the interests of shareholders and Exaro's editorial stance. Our editorial team is free of any business or commercial agenda.

 

Our aim is to demonstrate how investigations that help ensure openness and transparency can be an economically valuable part of a global internet-based economy, culture and society.

[peterms]

Exaro have set up their site so you can't copy whole stories, just the summary like I posted earlier.

 

They ran a piece on 8 November about Sir Peter Hayman, one of the very few members of the VIP paedophile ring to have been caught (he left a package of incriminating material on a bus).  He was said at the time to be a senior civil servant.

 

Exaro's story explains that what wasn't said at the time was that Hayman was also Deputy Director of MI5.  This may at least partly explain why the security services have for decades shown little interest in dealing with this ring, though they have enough staff to spend literally years living false identities as life partners of minor civil rights activists.

 

Hayman was one of the people on the list given by Peter Dickens to Leon Brittan as Home Secretary, the list that subsequently disappeared.  Dicken's flat was subsequently broken into, twice, but nothing was stolen.  His name was later found in a notebook belonging to multiple killer Arthur Hutchinson.

[Xann]

I hope Exaro's research is more thorough than the Mirror's under Piers Morgan.

[Dodgyknees]

Wider paedophile debate?

 

[bickster]

Going back to Butler Sloss and how all of this is connected…

No less than the Attorney General at the time Michael Havers warning Geoffrey Dickens not to expose a high ranking Paedophile in the diplomatic service…

How did they come to appoint his sister to run an enquiry into child abuse? Just that act alone leaves me with no confidence that the real truth will come out

[blandy]

Just out of curiousity and discussion - what is to be gained or lost, in terms of a (current) cover up?- I mean if they were to do a proper investigation, and whatever was to be found out, who of the current decision makers on an enquiry /cover up would either gain or lose anything?

I think I'm asking what motivation is there to cover things up now? surely all the people allegedly involved are either deceased or not in power?

Would it be a party political thing? like, say if the Gov't at the time was whichever party (probably tory) is it that if the then tory gov't was shown to be riddled with child molesters that it would be taken as bad for them now - more so than getting to the bottom of it all? would that be a reason to just hide it all away?

I can definitely see an incompetence thing, with the choice, twice, of unsuitable people to chair the investigation. I don't trust the tories as far as I could kick them, but I don't see that Teresa May or Cameron have a reason to deliberately cover things up. What, if anything, am I missing?

[Xann]

What, if anything, am I missing?

 

Remember the mobs attacking the homes of paediatricians?

[bickster]

Pete the cover up alone implicates at least one very recent cabinet member.

But without naming names there are a number of blogs that have been tracking the allegations and what people have said in the media. They make for interesting reading but far too vast to simply copy and paste here.

https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com

http://ianpace.wordpress.com

There are plenty of others out there.

Appointing the sister of the former AG who was very vocal at the time against Geoffrey Dickens can be considered incompetent (just though I tend to think not) but to then replace her with a person who moves in the same social circles and ;lives in the same road as a certain former home secretary who as it happens is the focus of the current investigation for both "losing the list" and being on many other lists himself isn't incompetence imo its a blatant attempt at another whitewash.

This isn't just "a central london address", it all links into Elm guest House in Barnes, Bryn Estyn, the Brighton Ring. PIE itself went deep into the heat of the civil service and government. They all connect and its possible that even Buckingham Palace could be implicated. This story is much bigger than it seems on the surface

Also it isn't the exclusively Tories, there is a former Labour MP and current Labour Lord on the list, we already know about Cyril Smith. It goes across all three parties though the Tories would be the worst affected. Labour have other Scottish skeletons in the mix too

[sheepyvillian]

**** paedophiles : what an awful breed of mankind