Smoking Ban

[bobzy]

6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Fatty foods good for you for starters (see keto)

I think your example is extreme.

Sugary food lets start with that - you can sugar in moderation. Most smokers dont have onw cigarette a day as its so addictive.

Drink is like alcohol dangerous and has various health issues as does smoking.

Its funny people moaning about how they cant get appointments at hospital but then support smoking. You know how much smoking diseases drain the nhs? 

Caffinated drinks as that killed people volume as smoking does? Can you advise me on the scentific data that causes the same amount of diseases as smoking does?

Energy drinks - are there as many drinkers as smokers for these? And again see same point as caffeinated drinks?

Margerine? Thats just silly just say food as whole

You're talking about benefits - smoking has no benefits, so banning it is reasonable.

In these things above, you've given zero benefits.  Maybe "fatty foods" too wide as given by me so I'll switch that to junk food.  McDonalds etc.

"Sugar in moderation" isn't a benefit, it's a wholly negative food type which leads to obesity and therefore NHS pressures.  Similar to smoking.  No benefits here - ban sugar, yeah?
Alcohol is dangerous and causes wider societal harm than smoking; certainly in instances of aggression (assaults) or stupidity (drink driving).  No benefits here - ban alcohol.
Caffeinated (and energy) drinks are just addictive and give the "buzz" which people crave.  Large links to anxiety.  No benefits here - ban caffeine.
Margarine is a bit of a flippant one from me, but it's basically a manufactured "non-good" fat product.  Advertised as a low fat alternative to butter but has actually been linked to increased heart attacks when compared to the original fatty butter.

My point is that if you're going to ban something because it has "no benefits", you're essentially banning a lot of things.  Smoking is obviously an entirely negative vice for people to have... but so is drinking alcohol or eating loads of fast food etc. etc.

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[magnkarl]

5 minutes ago, bobzy said:

You're talking about benefits - smoking has no benefits, so banning it is reasonable.

In these things above, you've given zero benefits.  Maybe "fatty foods" too wide as given by me so I'll switch that to junk food.  McDonalds etc.

"Sugar in moderation" isn't a benefit, it's a wholly negative food type which leads to obesity and therefore NHS pressures.  Similar to smoking.  No benefits here - ban sugar, yeah?
Alcohol is dangerous and causes wider societal harm than smoking; certainly in instances of aggression (assaults) or stupidity (drink driving).  No benefits here - ban alcohol.
Caffeinated (and energy) drinks are just addictive and give the "buzz" which people crave.  Large links to anxiety.  No benefits here - ban caffeine.
Margarine is a bit of a flippant one from me, but it's basically a manufactured "non-good" fat product.  Advertised as a low fat alternative to butter but has actually been linked to increased heart attacks when compared to the original fatty butter.

My point is that if you're going to ban something because it has "no benefits", you're essentially banning a lot of things.  Smoking is obviously an entirely negative vice for people to have... but so is drinking alcohol or eating loads of fast food etc. etc.

I guess you could say that smoking also damages other people passively. Unless you're on your own somewhere you're bound to breathe smoke into someone's path. If that person is asthmatic or whatever or has a prolonged exposure to cigarette smoke it may cause illness.

Junk food costs society more, but it doesn't hurt anyone else passively apart from overloading the health sector, which I guess is a big thing. In all honesty I'd be all for taxing junk much more and taking down taxes for healthy options, that would make sense. Right now it's more expensive to buy a head of lettuce than it is a cheeseburger, and that is an issue. No one barely ever smokes anymore, so the ban has had a great effect on the overall cost that smoking had on hospitals and budgets. 

[bobzy]

11 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

I guess you could say that smoking also damages other people passively. Unless you're on your own somewhere you're bound to breathe smoke into someone's path. If that person is asthmatic or whatever or has a prolonged exposure to cigarette smoke it may cause illness.

Junk food costs society more, but it doesn't hurt anyone else passively apart from overloading the health sector, which I guess is a big thing. In all honesty I'd be all for taxing junk much more and taking down taxes for healthy options, that would make sense. Right now it's more expensive to buy a head of lettuce than it is a cheeseburger, and that is an issue. No one barely ever smokes anymore, so the ban has had a great effect on the overall cost that smoking had on hospitals and budgets. 

Nah, it's cheaper to get a lettuce.  It's cheaper to eat "healthy food" than "junk food".

[Seat68]

 

[Demitri_C]

17 hours ago, bobzy said:

You're talking about benefits - smoking has no benefits, so banning it is reasonable.

In these things above, you've given zero benefits.  Maybe "fatty foods" too wide as given by me so I'll switch that to junk food.  McDonalds etc.

"Sugar in moderation" isn't a benefit, it's a wholly negative food type which leads to obesity and therefore NHS pressures.  Similar to smoking.  No benefits here - ban sugar, yeah?
Alcohol is dangerous and causes wider societal harm than smoking; certainly in instances of aggression (assaults) or stupidity (drink driving).  No benefits here - ban alcohol.
Caffeinated (and energy) drinks are just addictive and give the "buzz" which people crave.  Large links to anxiety.  No benefits here - ban caffeine.
Margarine is a bit of a flippant one from me, but it's basically a manufactured "non-good" fat product.  Advertised as a low fat alternative to butter but has actually been linked to increased heart attacks when compared to the original fatty butter.

My point is that if you're going to ban something because it has "no benefits", you're essentially banning a lot of things.  Smoking is obviously an entirely negative vice for people to have... but so is drinking alcohol or eating loads of fast food etc. etc.

You are aware your either runs on glucose or fat right? So you ban sugar your killing most of the population so as i said in moderation

Who eats Mcdonalds? Utter shit food. People only eat because its quick and cheap.

I agree about alcohol but i class it as bad as smoking. 

Smoking and food for me are two different things because you can choose what you eat.  If i eat a burger i can make someone else sick like smoking does. Secondary smoke is just as deadly so for me its not a good example. Same with alcohol i cant get someone else sick by them drinking it.

Thats the difference 

[Demitri_C]

17 hours ago, bobzy said:

Nah, it's cheaper to get a lettuce.  It's cheaper to eat "healthy food" than "junk food".

Im not sure if you are actually serious.

Go have a look how much grass fed beef is or organic foods.

Go have a look and compare how much organic salmon costs compared to normal salmon.

Go see how a low sugar choclatw bar is in comparison to a cadburys milk chocolate 

[bannedfromHandV]

Pointless, absolutely pointless. Can only hope Labour tear it up once they get in.

Admittedly I’m biased as I’m a smoker, but it feels to me like there’s been a significant reduction in the amount of people smoking over the last decade or so, no reason to think that trend won’t continue to a point where it does eventually become phased out of its own accord. Feels to me like the bigger problem now is vaping as this seems to be what all ‘the kids’ are getting into.

Banning cigarettes won’t make people quit, it will drive it underground, open up a new black market for nefarious people to profit from whilst contributing no tax and will criminalise a fair number of otherwise civil folks, in short, it’s f***ing stupid and absolutely on point for this joke of a government and Prime Minister, I will dance a jig once these dickheads are gone.

[bobzy]

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

You are aware your either runs on glucose or fat right? So you ban sugar your killing most of the population so as i said in moderation

Who eats Mcdonalds? Utter shit food. People only eat because its quick and cheap.

I agree about alcohol but i class it as bad as smoking. 

Smoking and food for me are two different things because you can choose what you eat.  If i eat a burger i can make someone else sick like smoking does. Secondary smoke is just as deadly so for me its not a good example. Same with alcohol i cant get someone else sick by them drinking it.

Thats the difference 

I can't tell if you're being deliberately daft or not.  I said sugary foods, not "ban sugar".

And, again, you've started off by saying smoking has "no benefits" so banning it is OK.  You've listed zero benefits so far for all the alcohol, junk food, sugary foods, energy drinks etc.  So they should all go.  Ban all the bad things, right?

[Xela]

On 06/10/2023 at 06:26, Demitri_C said:

Whats makes smoking more social? If you dont smoke it doesnt hinder you being about to socialise  you just do as you were without the cigarettes?

Relaxes them? Id you want to relax do yoga or meditation. Those are not benefits in my opinion. 

I'm not a proper smoker... last one I had was probably more than 5 years back. I was a social smoker back in the day though, as all my mates smoked. It is a good social thing as many conversations are struck up with people when outside a bar/pub having a smoke. It was a great ice breaker. It was also relaxing for me, maybe it was psychosomatic?

Doing yoga outside the Dog & Duck at midnight on Ipswich high street isn't going to have the same impact!  

[bobzy]

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

Im not sure if you are actually serious.

Go have a look how much grass fed beef is or organic foods.

Go have a look and compare how much organic salmon costs compared to normal salmon.

Go see how a low sugar choclatw bar is in comparison to a cadburys milk chocolate 

OP said a cheeseburger was more expensive than some lettuce - it isn't.

The myth about healthy eating being expensive is crazy.  You can get vegetables cheaply and make food from them.  Doing things yourself is cheaper than junk food.

[mjmooney]

Has the penny dropped yet about "Maydup University", Dem?   

 

[Follyfoot]

1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said:

Pointless, absolutely pointless. Can only hope Labour tear it up once they get in.

Admittedly I’m biased as I’m a smoker, but it feels to me like there’s been a significant reduction in the amount of people smoking over the last decade or so, no reason to think that trend won’t continue to a point where it does eventually become phased out of its own accord. Feels to me like the bigger problem now is vaping as this seems to be what all ‘the kids’ are getting into.

Banning cigarettes won’t make people quit, it will drive it underground, open up a new black market for nefarious people to profit from whilst contributing no tax and will criminalise a fair number of otherwise civil folks, in short, it’s f***ing stupid and absolutely on point for this joke of a government and Prime Minister, I will dance a jig once these dickheads are gone.

Anyone got any salmons?

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