AstonMartin82 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 He's scored less goals for us than Eric Lichaj. Probably less assists also... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 25, 2013 Moderator Share Posted February 25, 2013 He's scored less goals for us than Eric Lichaj. And the same number as Peter Schmeichel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 How many of our midfielders score goals or have assists or impose themselves on the opposition ....None... Not just bannan who doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 How many of our midfielders score goals or have assists or impose themselves on the opposition ....None... Not just bannan who doesn't None? Are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Goals from midfield this season makes grim reading - Bannan 0 Delph 0 Westwood 0 Holman 1 KEA 1 Sylla 0 Herd 0 Ireland 0 Edited February 26, 2013 by CI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Hmmm interestingly , Bannan has started every PL game we've won this season bar west ham 2-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Haven't got any midfielders that get into the opposition penalty area.. Edited February 26, 2013 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Goals from midfield this season makes grim reading - Bannan 0 Delph 0 Westwood 0 Holman 1 KEA 1 Sylla 0 Herd 0 Ireland 0 That'd be different if you included cups though. I'm sure Holman and Herd got a few? (Which would put them ahead of Bannan, I believe!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I've deliberately left out cups as the PL is what's important . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge-AVFC Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) I still fail to see the reason why he was dropped, played better than all but 1 of our centre midfielders(Westwood) and even then its a toss up between the 2. We look a lot better on the ball with Bannan on the pitch. People on here criticise Bannan for the most insignificant things like the riskyish back pass to Given in the air against Bradford or when he lifted a pass to Baker instead of passing it on the ground. Both times we retained possession and started attacks but yet Bannan gets slated forit. The other times, people see isolated incidents where Bannan over hits a corner or a long pass and they seem to generalise that and come to the conclusion he hits too many long balls or he is a poor set piece taker. Bannan brings us something that we don't have, a good ball player who can keep the ball under pressure. When we were drawing 1-1 against Arsenal with 20 mins remaining Bannan would've been ideal as instead of hoofing the ball aimlessly up field, he at least has the ability to keep the ball on the deck and pass it around. Something that no one else really has. For the goals and assists argument, Bannan isn't there to score goals, he's a deep-lying playmaker and he does that reasonably well. We haven't given Bannan the opportunity to play in an advanced role, for example where N'Zogbia plays at the moment, which would give him more opportunities to create. Bannan does create chances, its just a shame that most of which the chances he created have been wasted by strikers. Also Bannan gets a lot of 'second assists' i.e. he makes the pass before the pass that leads to the goal. Its not rocket science Bannan needs a big dominant midfielder next to him if we want him to be effective. He needs a Diame or a N'Zonzi to marshal the midfield and allow Bannan to play the passes. If not that, you need a system(like Swansea have) to maximise Bannan's ability, you need players who are also willing to pass and play nice attractive football. Bannan is at worst a very good asset to bring on at the 70 minute mark to keep possession(if winning) or to add some creativity(if losing). Edited February 26, 2013 by Cambridge-AVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Goals from midfield this season makes grim reading - Bannan 0 Delph 0 Westwood 0 Holman 1 KEA 1 Sylla 0 Herd 0 Ireland 0 And in my opinion both of those goals were semi-gaffs as well Anyhow, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take! Our midfield this season has been disasterous and definetely the worst in the Premier League by quite the margin. Thank god N'Zogbia has shown that he is much better than all the rest lately, fighting relegation with Brett Holman building the attack is like waiving the white flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Still hanging around like a bad smell then I almost forgot who he was considering he's nowhere near the first team at the minute and rightly so Counting down the days for his contract to come to an end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lp_villa830 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I still fail to see the reason why he was dropped, played better than all but 1 of our centre midfielders(Westwood) and even then its a toss up between the 2. We look a lot better on the ball with Bannan on the pitch. People on here criticise Bannan for the most insignificant things like the riskyish back pass to Given in the air against Bradford or when he lifted a pass to Baker instead of passing it on the ground. Both times we retained possession and started attacks but yet Bannan gets slated forit. The other times, people see isolated incidents where Bannan over hits a corner or a long pass and they seem to generalise that and come to the conclusion he hits too many long balls or he is a poor set piece taker. Bannan brings us something that we don't have, a good ball player who can keep the ball under pressure. When we were drawing 1-1 against Arsenal with 20 mins remaining Bannan would've been ideal as instead of hoofing the ball aimlessly up field, he at least has the ability to keep the ball on the deck and pass it around. Something that no one else really has. For the goals and assists argument, Bannan isn't there to score goals, he's a deep-lying playmaker and he does that reasonably well. We haven't given Bannan the opportunity to play in an advanced role, for example where N'Zogbia plays at the moment, which would give him more opportunities to create. Bannan does create chances, its just a shame that most of which the chances he created have been wasted by strikers. Also Bannan gets a lot of 'second assists' i.e. he makes the pass before the pass that leads to the goal. Its not rocket science Bannan needs a big dominant midfielder next to him if we want him to be effective. He needs a Diame or a N'Zonzi to marshal the midfield and allow Bannan to play the passes. If not that, you need a system(like Swansea have) to maximise Bannan's ability, you need players who are also willing to pass and play nice attractive football. Bannan is at worst a very good asset to bring on at the 70 minute mark to keep possession(if winning) or to add some creativity(if losing). Agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I still fail to see the reason why he was dropped. I'll give you a clue, he's terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge-AVFC Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I still fail to see the reason why he was dropped. I'll give you a clue, he's terrible. well compared to our team this year he hasn't been that bad and has probably been one of our better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I still fail to see the reason why he was dropped. I'll give you a clue, he's terrible. well compared to our team this year he hasn't been that bad and has probably been one of our better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The stats show we are better when he's playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The stats are wrong I fear. He was good against Sunderland, maybe, but that's about it. It might be the case of us not having the players to being the best out of him but, I'm not convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge-AVFC Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The stats are wrong I fear. He was good against Sunderland, maybe, but that's about it. It might be the case of us not having the players to being the best out of him but, I'm not convinced. Arsenal home? Newcastle away? Swansea home? Liverpool away? Four games where he played very well and you could make a legitimate case for man of the match. But other than West Brom away and Everton home, Bannan has played fine. Like I said he gets unjustified stick. In the right system or with a ball winning centre midfielder, Bannan could shine in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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