HeyAnty Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 The type of player Grealish is, he will learn nothing playing in a struggling side such as notts county. Id never agreed regards him going out on loan because i believe he is good enough to get a run out in the odd game as a sub. I dare to say it but i dont know if he is the type of player Lambert likes. I.e he has creativity and isnt an ABC player. People will come back that he isnt strong enough, well he was as strong as Bennett last year and he got playing the full season. Last point, Grealish will offer u more coming on as a sub as Bowery would on the wing. Cardiff game as an example. First point, he will gain experience of playing regular football, the build up, the mental state of playing for points that mean something. It will also help him grow as a player and ensure he is not one of those players who wants to play at this level when he's older. If Lambert didn't like him why did he use him in pre-season, why did he say the boy is talented at the fans forum but says needs experience. The lad is 18 years old, its better for him to be playing than bits of first team football. Bowery wasn't bought on as a winger against Cardiff he was bought on to play up front. Jack will come back more determined to make that step up from this experience IMO. We have seen with the Fonz, by bringing him in too early, the kid thought he had made it, not saying Jack will be the same but it happens. The way Carruthers has been built up to be some of midfield maestro, can't even get into the MK Dons side. Gabby was atrocious in his loan spells, but he came back more determined to put in all the effort to ensure he does not play at that level again. He is only on loan till Jan anyway, so he may be back and also may be a reason why PL is not looking at wingers as he has two in our youth set up who have the attributes to be really good i.e. Grealish and Graham. Agree entirely with that. I'd also add that when a youngster goes on loan to a side lower down the divisions, they're playing with guys who's bonuses for winning and/or clean sheets make a real difference to their wage packet every week; especially in this day and age when the youngsters going out on loan are probably on a higher wage than most league 1 or 2 players! Yeah nots county are really doing the business and helping him develop. If we were going to loan him out it should have been to a top team in lg2 instead of a crap one in lg1. U not wonder why he was fed up of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 So you know him personally to make such a statement? Maybe a top club in League two never came in for him. He's only there until Jan anyway so he can see if another club comes in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Scored and assisted a goal on his first start for ireland u21s. Not bad considering he's the youngest ireland u21 player that Noel King has played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 I wish we'd get him back here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 When's his loan up? Given how combative Shaun Derry was as a player, it leads me to think he'll want a team of battlers to try to get Notts out of the relegation zone so Jack might struggle to get starts. We'll see but there's no need to panic as he's only 18 and already gone out on loan which is a good sign compared to the likes of the Fonz and Bannan who never went on loan until their 20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 On loan until January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Hope he comes back. Seems like he is doing good. Still worried that just throwing him in the pl might be a bit to much but he has delivered at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Hope he comes back. Seems like he is doing good. Still worried that just throwing him in the pl might be a bit to much but he has delivered at least. Thats why we give him 15 mins here 20 mins there as a sub. Very little pressure on him then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Hope he comes back. Seems like he is doing good. Still worried that just throwing him in the pl might be a bit to much but he has delivered at least. Thats why we give him 15 mins here 20 mins there as a sub. Very little pressure on him then Ross Barkley seems to cope. Yes he is physically bigger than JG but if you're good enough then you're old enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Barkley's already had a couple of loans at a high level (Sheff Weds and Leeds, neither club he pulled up any trees up at). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yeah he looked scared last season when he got to try pl. Pre-season really got him going and he has a great start so far this season. He is one of the bigger talents they have had since Rooney though. To be honest I know to little of Jack, I hope he can be our number 10 but we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 He had a good game tonight by all accounts and scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted November 16, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 16, 2013 When you look at how shite our bench is at times, he really should be at the club, not on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I want to see him introduced soon but let the lad play some games in a competitive league rather than sit here on the bench, he probably wont get on the bench anyway and we dont even know if hes ready for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 File Jack Grealish under "Needs to learn about mens football" and that is by no means a criticism. This is a kid who has breezed his way through youth football and has always been the one everybody is watching and talking about. Look at how he plays the game with a swagger and an air of confidence. Kev will be able to give more precise details, but Jack has consistently played a couple of years above himself, was sponsored by Nike at a young age, courted by England and Ireland and on the 1st team bench by 16. As far as I can see, he's gone to struggling Notts County to really learn his trade, to get roughed up by lower league cloggers and to come back a more rounded footballer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 File Jack Grealish under "Needs to learn about mens football" and that is by no means a criticism. This is a kid who has breezed his way through youth football and has always been the one everybody is watching and talking about. Look at how he plays the game with a swagger and an air of confidence. Kev will be able to give more precise details, but Jack has consistently played a couple of years above himself, was sponsored by Nike at a young age, courted by England and Ireland and on the 1st team bench by 16. As far as I can see, he's gone to struggling Notts County to really learn his trade, to get roughed up by lower league cloggers and to come back a more rounded footballer. Even if it was criticism id respect your point of view. As ive said if I cant take it then I shouldn't be here. And yeah I hope so andy. But none of you lot know how it feels to watch a team play hoofball up to two big strikers up front... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 File Jack Grealish under "Needs to learn about mens football" and that is by no means a criticism. This is a kid who has breezed his way through youth football and has always been the one everybody is watching and talking about. Look at how he plays the game with a swagger and an air of confidence. Kev will be able to give more precise details, but Jack has consistently played a couple of years above himself, was sponsored by Nike at a young age, courted by England and Ireland and on the 1st team bench by 16. As far as I can see, he's gone to struggling Notts County to really learn his trade, to get roughed up by lower league cloggers and to come back a more rounded footballer. Even if it was criticism id respect your point of view. As ive said if I cant take it then I shouldn't be here. And yeah I hope so andy. But none of you lot know how it feels to watch a team play hoofball up to two big strikers up front... You obviously haven't seen CB and Kozak then haha. Think Grealish deal up in Jan anyway, no doubt they'll try and renew it. But think a few more clubs will be after him in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 File Jack Grealish under "Needs to learn about mens football" and that is by no means a criticism. This is a kid who has breezed his way through youth football and has always been the one everybody is watching and talking about. Look at how he plays the game with a swagger and an air of confidence. Kev will be able to give more precise details, but Jack has consistently played a couple of years above himself, was sponsored by Nike at a young age, courted by England and Ireland and on the 1st team bench by 16. As far as I can see, he's gone to struggling Notts County to really learn his trade, to get roughed up by lower league cloggers and to come back a more rounded footballer. Even if it was criticism id respect your point of view. As ive said if I cant take it then I shouldn't be here. And yeah I hope so andy. But none of you lot know how it feels to watch a team play hoofball up to two big strikers up front... wasnt that long ago Martin Oneill was manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Had a cracking game against montenegro the other day despite them drawing 0-0. The irish press secretary told my dad that Noel King said Jack is a better player than Aiden Mcgeady was at 18 which is quite promising. Was very unlucky not to have scored on a number of occasions. And after playing well against the faroe islands hes looking in good stead for the weekend. Long way to go yet but im hoping he can finish the next two months at notts like he and the team started off when he arrived. Otherwise I think the battle for relegation could happen this year for notts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 He's probably better than mcgeady now mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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