Xela Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Top order is constantly shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Xela said: Top order is constantly shit Yep and when Cook (and Root last test) doesn't make a score it leaves Moeen, Stokes and Bairstow to bail them out time after time. Remember when we had Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell?! Runs guaranteed. On a side note, congrats to Jonny Bairstow. Already has most runs by a wicket keeper in a calendar year. Today equalled Prior's record for catches in a calendar year by an England wicket keeper. This is his 12th match of the year, Prior took 14 to take his 54 catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The top order is a weird one for England. No matter what combination they throw out, they still seem to always falter, yet on paper the selections are good. What would people field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Good knocks from Woakes and Rashid saving face for England a little, Woakes just gone from a fabulous catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 9 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: The top order is a weird one for England. No matter what combination they throw out, they still seem to always falter, yet on paper the selections are good. What would people field? Cook ? Root Bairstow Duckett Stokes Moeen Woakes I think Bairstow has been in such good nick that he'd be worth promoting up to 4, looks our second best batsman at the moment anyway. Also he's often in early anyway so can play against the newer ball. Would protect Duckett from the new ball and give Root someone who he has batted with for years at 2 down. Also gives the option of Buttler coming in for Duckett and batting below Stokes. Unsure who should open with Cook though. Would give Haseeb a go, but don't know much about him. I wouldn't be averse to Hales or Lyth getting another shot. On a side note about this morning... how good has Chris Woakes become this year?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 difficult to judge as they are not used to playing on wickets that turn as much as this on day one of a test match. I think Duckett is out of his depth, as is Balance. I think unless we have a good morning tomorrow we will loose this. Anything much more that 200 could be beyond us. I have been very disappointed in Rasjid. He could not ask for more helpful wickets yet he lacks the control to build any pressure. Ansari bowled better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted October 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2016 And so the collapse has begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Happens all the time. Mehedi, only just 19, the best spinner on both sides by a mile. Edited October 30, 2016 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 yep he's bowled well, but some garbage wickets. Moeen has had a shocking match with the bat. Seems to continually test the patience, chucks in an excellent hard fought innings, the 68 at chittagong then tends to follow up with 4 or 5 piss easy gifts before another effort. Really wish he could be more consistent. Ballance is done, with any luck, needs to be removed as far away from this squad as possible. He's averaged 6. Get out man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Well played, Bangladesh! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I think I'd probably give Duckett a go in the middle order and open with the young lad from Lancashire. Move Bairstow up to 4 or 5 and return Moeen to 7/8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Stunning collapse. Long winter ahead for England. One thing for sure is they cannot have a procession of left handers in the middle order against Ashwin. He will run through them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Mehedi was superb for them, a class spinner. But what a contrast 100/0 before tea, 64/10 afterwards. Shocking collapse, can't tell me the pitch deteriorated that quickly, but the Tests (and ODIs) have been really compelling cricket in spite of all this, and although England worry me, you have to be pleased for Bangladesh, could mean the world for them becoming a bigger force in Test cricket. Tamim's century was outstanding. I agree with Snowy that Duckett should drop to 4, and play Hameed. At least both Duckett and Cook got 50's, that was beginning to concern me a bit. Cook, Hameed, Root, Duckett, Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen, Woakes, Broad, then two of Batty, Ansari, Rashid and Finn for India. Finn didn't look great at all yesterday, released lot's of pressure after we'd posted that first innings lead so, I'd probably go with Batty and Ansari. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 As usual a batting collapse. Well played Bangladesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I'm actually a bit happy that England lost. It's been a long road for Bangladesh but they have put together a decent team now that's still young, with a couple of young star seamers that didn't play in this series too. It's not looking good for the India series though, we haven't got spinners in the class of Monty and Swann or someone like KP in the middle order. It might be a bit embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 BBC reporting that Hameed does open and Duckett drops down the order. Out goes Ballance. Quote Teenage opener Haseeb Hameed will make his England debut in the opening Test in India starting on Wednesday. ... Lancashire batsman Hameed, 19, will become only the second teenager to play Test cricket for England since 1949. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Hurray for Ballance being dropped Never again now thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Managing to catch some of the lad Hameed for the first time this morning. He looks like a bit of a find (allowing for it being his debut and what might happen when he faces pace and the swinging/bouncing ball). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 yeah I think we've solved our opener conundrum - well until Cook retires, but hopefully that should be settling the matter for a couple of years at least. His maturity and temperament is key, and that bodes well for other conditions. He's debuting in India - ok, not as big a turning pitch as others may be but nonetheless, I'm feeling optimistic he can handle other conditions. I wander if, on the assumption a repeat the Bangladesh final session doesn't occur, they'll be tempted to set up a cheeky declaration tomorrow? Highly unlikely of course but if the score quickly tomorrow, could set them 300 with 45 overs to play with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rodders said: I wander if, on the assumption a repeat the Bangladesh final session doesn't occur, they'll be tempted to set up a cheeky declaration tomorrow? Highly unlikely of course but if the score quickly tomorrow, could set them 300 with 45 overs to play with. I guess they'd look at putting them in at some point to put them under pressure and take a few wickets hopefully. 300 from 45 looks about safe enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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