Davkaus Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 At least 5 teams deserve to go down this season, some proper shite in the league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 This has got to be the worst group of newly promoted teams I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Just now, Mantis said: This has got to be the worst group of newly promoted teams I've ever seen. The gulf in money is huge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mantis said: This has got to be the worst group of newly promoted teams I've ever seen. It's relative. The Championship is probably in the top 10 leagues in the world in terms of revenue but the gap between them and the premier league is huge now. Derby or Swindon were probably worse. Edited September 24, 2023 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, bobzy said: The gulf in money is huge Didn't matter when Sheffield United came up in 2019. The takeover falling through made the promotion redundant. They'll sack Heckinbotham and re-appoint Wilder after this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Just now, VillaChris said: Didn't matter when Sheffield United came up in 2019. The takeover falling through made the promotion redundant. They'll sack Heckinbotham and re-appoint Wilder after this game. Pretty sure they had a bad fallout with Wilder. He done nothing at Watford and Boro since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: It's relative. The Championship is probably in the top 10 leagues in the world in terms of revenue but the gap between them and the premier league is huge now. Derby or Swindon were probably worse. All three stayed up last season though. Fulham made some brilliant signings and Mitrovic got off to a really good start, Forest were shambolic for first few months but eventually found a formula that got them winning at home. Bournemouth looked certs to go down but got wins at important times and eventually stayed up with 3-4 games to spare. In fairness Luton have basically held their hands up and admitted the promotion has come a bit too soon. Burnley I think will be like Forest and improve as the season goes on, they haven't been that far away from a win in last two games. Sheffield United is the one that feels a waste of a promotion, they'll struggle to reach 20 points as there's a real lack of quality in the backline and midfield against any team that has good pace in attack and Newcastle have brutality exposed that. Will be different next season with Leicester coming straight back up and maybe Leeds aswell. Ipswich could be a really interesting promotion aswell. Edited September 24, 2023 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: Pretty sure they had a bad fallout with Wilder. He done nothing at Watford and Boro since then The owner was randomly praising him in a recent interview so press started picking up he might return given they still play the exact same system and guys like Egan, Robinson, Norwood and McBurnie were starting for him in the 2019 season. EXCLUSIVE: Sheffield United have sounded out Chris Wilder about a return as manager boss once more - with Paul Heckingbottom's position in serious jeopardy after 2-1 defeat at Tottenham leaves them winless in five | Daily Mail Online Quote Sheffield United are considering a move to bring Chris Wilder back to Bramall Lane after their winless run extended to five games in the late defeat against Tottenham. Mail Sport understands that Paul Heckingbottom’s position is in serious jeopardy, with United 17th in the table following four defeats and a solitary point against Everton prior to the international break. Sources say Wilder has already been sounded out about a return to the club, where he achieved great success between 2016 and 2021. In that time, he led them out of League One before securing promotion to the Premier League in 2019. Edited September 24, 2023 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, bobzy said: The gulf in money is huge 14 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: It's relative. The Championship is probably in the top 10 leagues in the world in terms of revenue but the gap between them and the premier league is huge now. Derby or Swindon were probably worse. Yeah but literally last season all three promoted clubs stayed up. The closest any of them got were Forest who still finished 4 points clear of relegation. Season before that two newly promoted teams went down but Brentford stayed up comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Didn't matter when Sheffield United came up in 2019. The takeover falling through made the promotion redundant. They'll sack Heckinbotham and re-appoint Wilder after this game. They had an innovative defensive approach and conceded the 4th fewest goals in the league (39) (Liverpool and both Manchester clubs conceded fewer - they were the top 3). However, they also scored sod all - 4th worst in the league (39 also) with only the bottom 2 sides and Newcastle (38) scoring fewer. Once their defensive approach was "found out", they finished 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochheads twin Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) Funny. At half time (Sky) we seem to have gone back to it has to be an intentional handball, when we have been seeing any handball resulting in advantage being given as the norm. Badge check complete! since then, the blades have just melted! Edited September 24, 2023 by Lochheads twin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Archer look lost playing as a lone striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Just now, Mantis said: Yeah but literally last season all three promoted clubs stayed up. The closest any of them got were Forest who still finished 4 points clear of relegation. Season before that two newly promoted teams went down but Brentford stayed up comfortably. Fulham very much like Burnley (who I think could still stay up, even if poor start), Forest spent a lot and Bournemouth basically survived as a miracle. The gap is getting bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mantis said: Yeah but literally last season all three promoted clubs stayed up. The closest any of them got were Forest who still finished 4 points clear of relegation. Season before that two newly promoted teams went down but Brentford stayed up comfortably. It depends on the club and what their approach is. Brentford and Brighton have spectacularly found a way to beat the system and neither is getting relegated anytime soon. Brentford also had good cup results against prem teams which suggested they'd be comfortable. Then if you're an established club like ourselves or Newcastle who lost their way but got back up quickly you'll always have a decent range of players wanting to join you given the wages on offer. When Stoke came up under Pulis they had the argricultural way of playing that so many teams couldn't cope with so won loads of points at home for 2-3 seasons. There's no way Leicester will make the same mistakes they did last time so that's one promoted club who'd be competitive straight away and Leeds would surely have learnt from their mistakes aswell. Someone like Preston or Hull would struggle big time though, Preston haven't played in the top division since the early 60s! Edited September 24, 2023 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted September 24, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2023 Imo all three goals (of course the especially the first one) were all debatable. The monkeys at the VAR room either counting money as we speak or they are just a bit thick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: They had an innovative defensive approach and conceded the 4th fewest goals in the league (39) (Liverpool and both Manchester clubs conceded fewer - they were the top 3). However, they also scored sod all - 4th worst in the league (39 also) with only the bottom 2 sides and Newcastle (38) scoring fewer. Once their defensive approach was "found out", they finished 20th. I'd say more they badly struggled without any fans at the ground, look at their record at Bramall Lane pre and post lockdown. Forest would've gone down with about 20 points if they'd had no fans at the City Ground, Trent End really got them over the line in last two months of last season with those wins they had over Arsenal and Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Get ready for the media Newcastle wankfest to resume again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 24, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2023 This could get seriously damaging for Sheffield. You don't want to be conceding record scores. Don't think I've seen a team less well prepared for The Premier League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 This could end up 7 or 8, Newcastle look like scoring every time they get near the Sheffield Utd box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Looking like a bottom six in the PL already... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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