Summer Transfer Window 2023

[ender4]

5 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said:

Some words from Professor Unai.

'We have to analyse everything and we have another minimum of 30 or 40 days to finish the transfer window and we are open to adding a few players and as well we are open to allowing some players to leave who are in the squad now. If we can improve, we have to do it and we have to have a lot of information about how the transfer could leave us something more and we are ready for it."

Are any transfer deals close?

"We can have the possibility of some players to leave, and of course, we have to be open if we can add some players really helping us in the squad to do it."

 

To me that reads something like - We haven't got any more definite plans on incoming players, but of course that could change if something comes along that makes sense.  We will however be trying to sell some players and if we sell them then that might open the door to buying another player.  

[PaulMcGrath_5]

Just now, ender4 said:

To me that reads something like - We haven't got any more definite plans on incoming players, but of course that could change if something comes along that makes sense.  We will however be trying to sell some players and if we sell them then that might open the door to buying another player.  

Yeah, focus on getting rid of a few now then attention could/will turn to 1 or 2 more. 

[zab6359]

34 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said:

Ok we keep a player that’s not going to improve his ability or value. 

If we can get our money back, I rather that money invested in a player that could end up being better than Donk is now 

Yes it happens all the time, chances are a fair few of the current squad will not improve in ability or value doesn’t mean we have to sell them all that Isn’t how having a squad of players works, they can’t all be superstars.

[villan95]

So in terms of outs i'm thinking

Not required: Hause, Wesley, Davis
Could leave: Olsen, Chambers, Digne, Dendoncker, Iroegbunam (loan), Traore, Philogene (loan), Coutinho
Outside chance: Carlos

And for ins

RB competition
GK (if we can move Olsen on)

[zab6359]

2 minutes ago, villan95 said:

So in terms of outs i'm thinking

Not required: Hause, Wesley, Davis
Could leave: Olsen, Chambers, Digne, Dendoncker, Iroegbunam (loan), Traore, Philogene (loan), Coutinho
Outside chance: Carlos

And for ins

RB competition
GK (if we can move Olsen on)

I think the could leave list is a lot bigger than that, I don’t think we would be actively looking to move anyone else on but if the right offers came in who know who we could see leave.

[Jas10]

The Donck talk has little to do with the Stevenage error, that’s an over simplification…

I don’t think anyone’s desperate for us to sell him but some are more open to the idea than others… and some of us don’t rate him that highly. 

Surprised at the amount of staunch defences of him really…

The point here is that he’s a relatively limited player. A bit languid and lackadaisical in style, limited on the ball, lacking in technique and agility.

If there’s an opportunity to improve upon him, and especially if this is Unai’s desire, why not do it? And why question it in that instance?

There have been several reports that he is available for sale, if a suitable offer comes along. He may himself want to move for guaranteed first team football elsewhere too, he’s well down the pecking order here.

No doubt he’s a useful member of the squad and brings something we lack in general (height, physicality, aerial ability) but he is not great on the ball, limited technique and limited passing ability.

Technical proficiency and passing prowess are high on Unai’s agenda… we can already see this with the players he selects and has brought in…

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Worth noting/remembering that Unai made the best of the players he had at his disposal (that he inherited) last season, including when some of them were injured etc.

Now we will see what sort of squad and side he actually wants to build and which players he values…

Edited July 26, 2023 by Jas10

[Jas10]

I”m also going to say that the Belgium national team has been one of the most overrated sides for years and had one of the most overrated managers around.

I don’t think Dendoncker has been a regular starter for them anyway.

They played defenders aged 35+, never really impressed in tournaments and never really achieved anything of worth.

Same old mediocre players constantly selected with just a few “stars” who flattered to deceive…

[Frodo]

8 minutes ago, Jas10 said:

The Donck talk has little to do with the Stevenage error, that’s an over simplification…

I don’t think anyone’s desperate for us to sell him but some are more open to the idea than others… and some of us don’t rate him that highly. 

Surprised at the amount of staunch defences of him really…

The point here is that he’s a relatively limited player. A bit languid and lackadaisical in style, limited on the ball, lacking in technique and agility.

If there’s an opportunity to improve upon him, and especially if this is Unai’s desire, why not do it? And why question it in that instance?

There have been several reports that he is available for sale, if a suitable offer comes along. He may himself want to move for guaranteed first team football elsewhere too, he’s well down the pecking order here.

No doubt he’s a useful member of the squad and brings something we lack in general (height, physicality, aerial ability) but he is not great on the ball, limited technique and limited passing ability.

Technical proficiency and passing prowess are high on Unai’s agenda… we can already see this with the players he selects and has brought in…

-

Worth noting/remembering that Unai made the best of the players he had at his disposal (that he inherited) last season, including when some of them were injured etc.

Now we will see what sort of squad and side he actually wants to build and which players he values…

Yet he is a Belgium international, very adequate for a back up, gives us height in the middle of the park whe required. Unless it's silly money for him I'd keep him.

[Jas10]

7 minutes ago, Frodo said:

Yet he is a Belgium international, very adequate for a back up, gives us height in the middle of the park whe required. Unless it's silly money for him I'd keep him.

Adequate? Sure, and I’ve covered this in my comments. And yeah, only worth selling him for a decent fee - even if we just get back what we paid…

I’m not going to be upset or worried if he sticks around. I’m not demanding that he be sold either. He is useful. 

But if Unai wants a better or more suitable player to replace him… who are we to argue?

 

I do want Olsen gone and replaced though…

That’s the one player I personally want to see improved on.

[CarryOnVilla]

23 minutes ago, zab6359 said:

Yes it happens all the time, chances are a fair few of the current squad will not improve in ability or value doesn’t mean we have to sell them all that Isn’t how having a squad of players works, they can’t all be superstars.

Then that’s a shit model to have or a shit system to have players in. 

clubs like Villa need to extract the best out of their players. Not just for footballing benefits but also financial benefits. 

Villa and many other clubs don’t have the mega commercial deals as yet, so our biggest and best way to keep the books looking good is the ability to buy cheep and sell high, with replacements lined up. 

having perennial backups that don’t achieve more than that is a waste of money and resources, also a waste of their career. 

Dendonker sat on our bench is a waste for him. Yet Villa still have the possibility to extract some value out of him. If they can, they should take it and reinvest it 

[Beastmix]

17 minutes ago, Jas10 said:

I”m also going to say that the Belgium national team has been one of the most overrated sides for years and had one of the most overrated managers around.

Not transfer window related, but this, 100%.

It's wild how they managed to con the system into reaching world #1. Proves how broken the ranking system is, really.

 

To keep this relatively on-topic though, I trust in whatever Unai wants to do with him, although I do see the usefulness in the qualities he brings to the table. As you say, it's different to what we already have... which is a good thing.

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

I don't think Dendonker is " shit " at all, but he is " useful " , maybe just on the plus side of " average ". 

That being said, for the wages and a place in the squad, we could certainly improve.

I'd stop short of calling him a " nothing " player as that may be selling him short, sometimes you do need those steady Eddie, Whelan, McCann types, but we are in a different phase and era now.

File him along with Chambers, useful, brilliant on their day but can be improved on.

[zab6359]

6 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said:

Then that’s a shit model to have or a shit system to have players in. 

clubs like Villa need to extract the best out of their players. Not just for footballing benefits but also financial benefits. 

Villa and many other clubs don’t have the mega commercial deals as yet, so our biggest and best way to keep the books looking good is the ability to buy cheep and sell high, with replacements lined up. 

having perennial backups that don’t achieve more than that is a waste of money and resources, also a waste of their career. 

Dendonker sat on our bench is a waste for him. Yet Villa still have the possibility to extract some value out of him. If they can, they should take it and reinvest it 

So using the buy cheap sell high model you talk of we should be selling McGinn, Luiz and Martinez as they were all bought cheap and all significantly increased in value?

 

[CarryOnVilla]

13 minutes ago, zab6359 said:

So using the buy cheap sell high model you talk of we should be selling McGinn, Luiz and Martinez as they were all bought cheap and all significantly increased in value?

 

If good offers come in and we have replacements lined up, then yeah sell them. 
 

McGinn was so cheep it’s impossible to not be able to flip a profit on him. Same with the other 2 when you think about it. So there’s no rush to sell any of them. 

but we should looking for their potential replacements. In particular Martinez. We got a GK spot open to develop his replacement 
 

Edited July 26, 2023 by CarryOnVilla

[duke313]

Is this now the Dendocker hate thread? 

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

1 minute ago, duke313 said:

Is this now the Dendocker hate thread? 

I think it's mainly @Vive_La_Villa who " hates " Dendonker to be fair 

Starting to realise that, every poster has that ONE player they can't stand, for one reason or another lol

[RicRic]

54 minutes ago, villan95 said:

So in terms of outs i'm thinking

Not required: Hause, Wesley, Davis
Could leave: Olsen, Chambers, Digne, Dendoncker, Iroegbunam (loan), Traore, Philogene (loan), Coutinho
Outside chance: Carlos

And for ins

RB competition
GK (if we can move Olsen on)

Need a new attacker/forward too.

[lexicon]

2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

I think it's mainly @Vive_La_Villa who " hates " Dendonker to be fair 

Starting to realise that, every poster has that ONE player they can't stand, for one reason or another lol

 

[CarryOnVilla]

3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

I think it's mainly @Vive_La_Villa who " hates " Dendonker to be fair 

Starting to realise that, every poster has that ONE player they can't stand, for one reason or another lol

Who’s yours 

[villan95]

6 minutes ago, RicRic said:

Need a new attacker/forward too.

I thought that but it sounds like Duran and Archer are staying so not sure it's too likely