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Does anyone understand this?

At the start of the season, things are nice and simple.

  • Premier League 1st place - Champions League
  • Premier League 2nd place - Champions League
  • Premier League 3rd place - Champions League
  • Premier League 4th place - Champions League
  • Premier League 5th place - Europa League 
  • FA Cup Winner - Europa League
  • League Cup Winner - Europa Conference

But if someone has already qualified for a higher tournament and wins a cup, then their place goes to the next team in the league.

So already, with Liverpool winning the league cup, we have:

  • Premier League 1st place - Champions League
  • Premier League 2nd place - Champions League
  • Premier League 3rd place - Champions League
  • Premier League 4th place - Champions League
  • Premier League 5th place - Europa League 
  • Premier League 6th place - Europa Conference
  • FA Cup Winner - Europa League

Still reasonably simple.

If Liverpool or Chelsea win the FA Cup, then I think that 6th in the league becomes a Europa League place and 7th becomes the Conference place.

Okay, I can just about follow that bit.

If Liverpool or Man City win the Champions league, then we don't get an extra spot for being winners - neither of those two can finish outside the top four, so there's no way they can change things in that way.

If West Ham win the Europa League, they get a Champions league spot - but we don't lose one from the league, we just add a fifth one - we may or may not lose a Europa league spot as a result. If West Ham finish in the top seven and would have qualified for one of the other tournaments, either the spot goes down the league to 8th place or we lose the spot completely, it's one or the other.

Does anyone understand the UEFA maximums? If West Ham win the Europa league, does England lose a Europa League place?

If Leicester win the conference, then they get a Europa League place if they finish outside of the qualifying positions for Europe, then that spot in the league is no longer available - that's my understanding of that - if they finish in a position that would have qualified for the Europa League or Europa Conference, I'm not sure what happens.

Anyone?

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Here's my guess:

  • Premier League 1st Place - Champions League - Manchester City
  • Premier League 2nd Place - Champions League - Liverpool
  • Premier League 3rd Place - Champions League - Chelsea
  • Premier League 4th Place - Champions League - Arsenal
  • Europa League Winners - Champions League - West Ham
  • Europa Conference Winners - Europa League - Leicester
  • Premier League 5th Place - Europa Conference - Tottenham

With 6th place Manchester United missing out altogether to my huge amusement.

 

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5 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Here's my guess:

  • Premier League 1st Place - Champions League - Manchester City
  • Premier League 2nd Place - Champions League - Liverpool
  • Premier League 3rd Place - Champions League - Chelsea
  • Premier League 4th Place - Champions League - Arsenal
  • Europa League Winners - Champions League - West Ham
  • Europa Conference Winners - Europa League - Leicester
  • Premier League 5th Place - Europa Conference - Tottenham

With 6th place Manchester United missing out altogether to my huge amusement.

 

Just goes to show how good the Premier League is now that so many of the teams are in the later stages of European football competitions. And we could potentially see 7 teams in European competitions.

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6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Here's my guess:

  • Premier League 1st Place - Champions League - Manchester City
  • Premier League 2nd Place - Champions League - Liverpool
  • Premier League 3rd Place - Champions League - Chelsea
  • Premier League 4th Place - Champions League - Arsenal
  • Europa League Winners - Champions League - West Ham
  • Europa Conference Winners - Europa League - Leicester
  • Premier League 5th Place - Europa Conference - Tottenham

With 6th place Manchester United missing out altogether to my huge amusement.

 

The free places regardless of position for teams with heritage (lots of fans outside Europe) don't kick in until after another 2 seasons? Sure Man U would get one of the "historic" spots if they missed out.

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7 minutes ago, sne said:

The free places regardless of position for teams with heritage (lots of fans outside Europe) don't kick in until after another 2 seasons? Sure Man U would get one of the "historic" spots if they missed out.

Yep, in future, I guess in this situation United would either get the Conference spot on the basis of their historic performance or they'd go into the 4th place Champs league spot and Arsenal would go into the Conference with Spurs missing out.

I hope those rules never come into force.

 

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1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said:

Does anyone understand this?

At the start of the season, things are nice and simple.

  • Premier League 1st place - Champions League
  • Premier League 2nd place - Champions League
  • Premier League 3rd place - Champions League
  • Premier League 4th place - Champions League
  • Premier League 5th place - Europa League 
  • FA Cup Winner - Europa League
  • League Cup Winner - Europa Conference

But if someone has already qualified for a higher tournament and wins a cup, then their place goes to the next team in the league.

So already, with Liverpool winning the league cup, we have:

  • Premier League 1st place - Champions League
  • Premier League 2nd place - Champions League
  • Premier League 3rd place - Champions League
  • Premier League 4th place - Champions League
  • Premier League 5th place - Europa League 
  • Premier League 6th place - Europa Conference
  • FA Cup Winner - Europa League

Still reasonably simple.

If Liverpool or Chelsea win the FA Cup, then I think that 6th in the league becomes a Europa League place and 7th becomes the Conference place.

Okay, I can just about follow that bit.

If Liverpool or Man City win the Champions league, then we don't get an extra spot for being winners - neither of those two can finish outside the top four, so there's no way they can change things in that way.

If West Ham win the Europa League, they get a Champions league spot - but we don't lose one from the league, we just add a fifth one - we may or may not lose a Europa league spot as a result. If West Ham finish in the top seven and would have qualified for one of the other tournaments, either the spot goes down the league to 8th place or we lose the spot completely, it's one or the other.

Does anyone understand the UEFA maximums? If West Ham win the Europa league, does England lose a Europa League place?

If Leicester win the conference, then they get a Europa League place if they finish outside of the qualifying positions for Europe, then that spot in the league is no longer available - that's my understanding of that - if they finish in a position that would have qualified for the Europa League or Europa Conference, I'm not sure what happens.

Anyone?

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UEFA approves final format and access list for its club competitions as of the 2024/25 season

The key amendments relate to the reduction from 10 matches to 8 in the league phase of the UEFA Champions League and the change of criteria for the allocation of two of the four additional places in the UEFA Champions League, removing access based on club coefficient. This confirms UEFA’s strong commitment to the principle of open competitions and sporting merit, while recognising the need to protect domestic leagues.

The eight matches of the UEFA Champions League will be played over the ten European weeks foreseen by the decision made in April 2021. The UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League will all enjoy one week of calendar exclusivity.

The four additional places created by the increase from 32 to 36 teams in the league phase of the UEFA Champions League will be allocated as follows:

• One place will go to the club ranked third in the championship of the association in fifth position in the UEFA national association ranking.

• One place will be awarded to a domestic champion by extending from four to five the number of clubs qualifying via the so-called “Champions Path”.

• The final two places will go to the associations with the best collective performance by their clubs in the previous season (total number of points obtained divided by the number of participating clubs). Those two associations will earn one place for the club best ranked in the domestic league behind the UEFA Champions League positions. For example, at the end of the current season the two associations adding one club to the Champions League, based on the collective performance of their clubs would be England and the Netherlands.

• The UEFA Executive Committee once again confirmed that all games before the final will still be played midweek, recognising the importance of the domestic calendar of games across Europe.

https://www.uefa.com/returntoplay/news/0275-151c779310c3-b92bbf0d24f9-1000--uefa-approves-final-format-and-access-list-for-its-club-competi/

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8 minutes ago, sne said:

so if English clubs do well, its quite possible that in 24/25 the PL could have 5 CL spots up for grabs?

We need to hope the English clubs performance in Europe continues, as it might give us a better chance of European competition (from more CL places, but also the Europa league spots would then go further down the league?, to possibly 8th or even 9th in some scenarios?)

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1 minute ago, MaVilla said:

so if English clubs do well, its quite possible that in 24/25 the PL could have 5 CL spots up for grabs?

We need to hope the English clubs performance in Europe continues, as it might give us a better chance of European competition (from more CL places, but also the Europa league spots would then go further down the league?, to possibly 8th or even 9th in some scenarios?)

Making room for the Saudis.

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1 hour ago, tomav84 said:

scrapping the entry via club coefficient. that's a good thing.

Yeah. It's basically just giving an extra 2 places to the two leagues who perform well in CL. So it's a total of coefficient points earned by previous seasons teams divided by the number of teams. 

So for next season (if it was coming in). It would be Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool, City = sum up and divide by 4. 

But how would Ajax getting to the round of 16 mean they get an extra place? Atletico made QF, Villareal Semi and Real Madrid in the Final. Yeah Barcelona got knocked out in group stages. But how can the average of those 4 be lower than Ajax?

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1 minute ago, CVByrne said:

Yeah. It's basically just giving an extra 2 places to the two leagues who perform well in CL. So it's a total of coefficient points earned by previous seasons teams divided by the number of teams. 

So for next season (if it was coming in). It would be Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool, City = sum up and divide by 4. 

But how would Ajax getting to the round of 16 mean they get an extra place? Atletico made QF, Villareal Semi and Real Madrid in the Final. Yeah Barcelona got knocked out in group stages. But how can the average of those 4 be lower than Ajax?

yeah i thought that.

If you have a league, with 1 team in the CL, and that team does even fairly decent, it would give that league a very good chance of getting an additional spot (compared to a league with 4 teams, where the total is averaged by 4 - unless all 4 of those teams do well).

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10 minutes ago, CVByrne said:

Yeah. It's basically just giving an extra 2 places to the two leagues who perform well in CL. So it's a total of coefficient points earned by previous seasons teams divided by the number of teams. 

So for next season (if it was coming in). It would be Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool, City = sum up and divide by 4. 

But how would Ajax getting to the round of 16 mean they get an extra place? Atletico made QF, Villareal Semi and Real Madrid in the Final. Yeah Barcelona got knocked out in group stages. But how can the average of those 4 be lower than Ajax?

Its not just Champions League though that is judged. Feyenoord are in the conference league final and PSV made the quarter finals plus Alkmaar got to the knockout round

 

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Just now, Zatman said:

Its not just Champions League though that is judged. Feyenoord are in the conference league final and PSV made the quarter finals plus Alkmaar got to the knockout round

 

Yeah, this is it. Thanks

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1 minute ago, The Fun Factory said:

So what is going to happen to the League Cup as this will be held on some European week nights? Can't we just have it for non European qualified teams. We might actually have a chance of winning something then.

Can't be for lots of reasons. Two biggest are 1) Money for lower league clubs. They depend on that money which is attracted because the big teams are in it. 2) European qualification comes from winning it. You tell West Ham next season they can't take part for example

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