villa4europe Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 On 14/02/2020 at 14:59, Zatman said: Instead of shitty refs they should have used retired refs in the booth Definitely this There should be a system in place that means that the older guys who are deemed not fit enough anymore can then move towards VAR The "elite" ref stuff can change too, get VAR refs in as a speciality, might speed it up, different set of qualifications and personalities too, fitness, ability to cope with the pressure, control players etc doesn't apply to a VAR ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 **** off, piece of shit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 **** it I almost want to go down to spare us from being shafted by it every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 16, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2020 I mean it was a penalty to be fair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I mean it was a penalty to be fair Still don't see how Engels instigates the contact. He is down early and isn't near the ball, but their bloke makes the most of that. We don't get that if it's reversed IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 So how could we not get penalty? Genuine question. How can this refereeing and VAR just get accepted. It's unreal. Plain robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 16, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, StefanAVFC said: Still don't see how Engels instigates the contact. He is down early and isn't near the ball, but their bloke makes the most of that. We don't get that if it's reversed IMO. It was a clear foul. If it was reversed and we didn't get it we'd be absolutely livid about it, and rightly so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: It was a clear foul. Then the rules are ****. He doesn't touch him until Berjwin (or whatever his stupid name is) is falling over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 16, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, StefanAVFC said: Then the rules are ****. He doesn't touch him until Berjwin (or whatever his stupid name is) is falling over. Really? Looks like he goes straight through him to me. And the only reason he eventually gets a but of the ball is because it's played into him. It was a desperate lunge and he **** it. His first big mistake of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 The biggest issue for me today was the review on the handball against us Play went on for maybe 90 seconds then went dead cos a corner or throw in or something and Atkinson stopped play so the review could take place and the announcer could tell the stadium That's not how it should work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, Stevo985 said: Really? Looks like he goes straight through him to me. And the only reason he eventually gets a but of the ball is because it's played into him. It was a desperate lunge and he **** it. His first big mistake of the game. I really don't see it that way. It looks like he's on his way down before there's any contact imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, villa4europe said: The biggest issue for me today was the review on the handball against us Play went on for maybe 90 seconds then went dead cos a corner or throw in or something and Atkinson stopped play so the review could take place and the announcer could tell the stadium That's not how it should work Imagine if we'd scored then he'd have gone back and given it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) And for me the pen is a massive grey area, going all the way back to the start of this thread that's why I didn't want VAR, there's no real right answer for it, there's contact before he wins the ball but bergwijn is leaning in to him also There will absolutely no consistency with that type of tackle, 10 refs in 10 games will not give 10 penalties I'd be fuming if we didn't get it Its yet another decision that makes a mockery of the grealish "dive" which had far more contact and worse contact (not to mention grealish actually played on post contact) Edit - straight through him wasn't how I saw it stevo, more gone to ground parallel to him because it gives the attacker nowhere to go, almost like a sliding block attempt rather than a sliding tackle, unfortunately for us I think Engels did make an attempt at the ball and didn't get it Edited February 16, 2020 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, villa4europe said: Its yet another decision that makes a mockery of the grealish "dive" Yep. The officiating in this league is a joke and VAR is just an extension of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 16, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, villa4europe said: And for me the pen is a massive grey area, going all the way back to the start of this thread that's why I didn't want VAR, there's no real right answer for it, there's contact before he wins the ball but bergwijn is leaning in to him also There will absolutely no consistency with that type of tackle, 10 refs in 10 games will not give 10 penalties For me this is why it's essential that the same ref review his own decision. You're right that we'll never have consistency, but we could at least have consistency in the same 90 minutes. Letting someone else decide to overrule the ref. The on field ref might have reviewed that and said something like "I can see why it was referred but I don't see it as a penalty" Instead he's been overruled with no say in the matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 16, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Edit - straight through him wasn't how I saw it stevo, more gone to ground parallel to him because it gives the attacker nowhere to go, almost like a sliding block attempt rather than a sliding tackle, unfortunately for us I think Engels did make an attempt at the ball and didn't get it "Straight through" might have been the wrong word. But he clearly makes significant contact with the Spurs player, both legs, before he's anywhere near the ball. To me it's a clear foul Like you said, we'd be fuming if we didn't get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: For me this is why it's essential that the same ref review his own decision. You're right that we'll never have consistency, but we could at least have consistency in the same 90 minutes. Letting someone else decide to overrule the ref. The on field ref might have reviewed that and said something like "I can see why it was referred but I don't see it as a penalty" Instead he's been overruled with no say in the matter. The other problem with that is that today again Atkinson showed that he's a poor ref Got 2 fairly easy corner decisions wrong (Grealish shot and guilbert tackle) and messed up yellow cards by trying too hard not to use them He had a general poor performance that can't be fixed with VAR I wouldnt trust him to make a correct decision 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted February 16, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: So how could we not get penalty? Genuine question. How can this refereeing and VAR just get accepted. It's unreal. Plain robbery. No check..... https://photos.app.goo.gl/XiB43fmjTY3ntaaj8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Tegis said: No check..... https://photos.app.goo.gl/XiB43fmjTY3ntaaj8 Should have been checked, but that's not a penalty. His arms in in by his sides, he's turning away. You can't give that as a penalty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted February 16, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Should have been checked, but that's not a penalty Its the no check that bugs me. And frankly, I have no idea what a handball is anymore. Seams to depend on who you ask and what club is involved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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