General Election 2017

[mjmooney]

6 minutes ago, zak said:

No i was referring to a person who receives regular meals when staying somewhere, in return for payment or services. Theres one between the 2 countries.

I actually looked at the spelling and was pretty sure it was wrong but spellcheck didnt give me a red squiggle and im dyslexic so deal with it!

Oh shit. I walked into the dyslexic trap. Double sorry. 

[Chindie]

19 minutes ago, zak said:

My GF and i were arguing about the Irish boarder over the weekend.

I was saying that post Brexit you would have to have a boarder between ROI and NI with security checks etc, she was saying i was wrong. From briefly looking at this, is it unknown? I just dont see in anyway brexit can happen without having a boarder there? you cant have free movement within the EU and thus to ROI and also free movement between ROI and NI

Am i missing something?

It wouldn't necessarily be impossible to have no border but you'd be turning Northern Ireland into a weird halfway house and at some point between the EU and UK there would have to be a formal border. Otherwise anyone could enter the UK via Ireland theoretically.

It's a difficult question. A border in Ireland is Bad. But if your problem is free movement, as it supposedly is, you need one somewhere.

It's an unholy mess and nobody thought about it. Even lots of the Northern Ireland. I'm sure there will be a fudge that helps nobody ultimately.

[HanoiVillan]

22 minutes ago, zak said:

My GF and i were arguing about the Irish boarder over the weekend.

I was saying that post Brexit you would have to have a boarder between ROI and NI with security checks etc, she was saying i was wrong. From briefly looking at this, is it unknown? I just dont see in anyway brexit can happen without having a boarder there? you cant have free movement within the EU and thus to ROI and also free movement between ROI and NI

Am i missing something?

You raise an extremely important point, and the answer, as far as I can tell, is basically 'we don't know, and we didn't plan for it, and there isn't an obvious solution, but we really really hope we'll be able to muddle through somehow'. 

I think if you ask people seriously, all their answers basically end up being 'we'll outsource our border to the Republic of Ireland'. Which seems pretty presumptuous. Maybe it'll be possible, if we pay lots and lots and lots of money (this seems to be a running theme). 

[Chindie]

Interesting to note that EU nurse application numbers have absolutely collapsed.

Given that seemingly EU nurses don't want to work here anymore, numbers of British nurses coming through are falling, and nursing ages are apparently rather high, either we best hope this anti immigration thing we've got going turns a blind eye to brown nurses (and their number grows rather a lot) or we have some kind of miraculous change in the career aspirations of young women en masse.

Healthcare in this country is ****.

[peterms]

27 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

Oh shit. I walked into the dyslexic trap. Double sorry. 

It's also possible that they were discussing the Irish border with the Irish boarder.  Who may or may not be dyslexic.

[itdoesntmatterwhatthissay]

 

On 10/06/2017 at 20:54, chrisp65 said:

The problem is the likes of Welsh Labour running it's own campaign here and asking Plaid voters to lend their vote and be tactical in opposing the tories. I really really considered doing it myself. Genuinely still considered it, stood in the booth with the pen in my hand.

Then the day after the election, tweeting that they smashed Plaid who's vote shrunk in places Labour unexpectedly won.

Very poor form.

In my constit., 'the left' as total votes would have beaten the tory, and that's with Labour having declined to bother campaigning. Labour reduced a majority of 7,000 to a majority of 2,000 with 3,500 people having voted Plaid / Lib Dem / Womens Equality / Green / Pirate. 

That's a real shame. I'm also struggling with the whole tactical vote concept. Though perhaps that's the price we have to pay for change. I'm glad the Lib Dems were helped out in Scotland; they deserve more from the voter.

I may have  previously posted this but I thought Welsh Labour and Plaid offered a good approach to solving the Welsh housing crisis. In fact I felt Welsh Labour's attempt was better than the main Labour manifesto.

[snowychap]

This talk about a delay to the Queen's Speech has got to be going down like a tribute to Diana with Lizzie.

Edit: I suppose they could delay it until after Ascot.

Edited June 12, 2017 by snowychap

[bickster]

15 minutes ago, snowychap said:

This talk about a delay to the Queen's Speech has got to be going down like a tribute to Diana with Lizzie.

Edit: I suppose they could delay it until after Ascot.

I think Herr Madge might tell Mrs May to eff the hell orff until the week after.

Its Ascot and you can do one, I've already cancelled the Order of the Sexy Leg Adornment for you needlessly

[Chindie]

They might not want to put it back too much. She is 90 after all.

...****, can you imagine? She keels over right before they want to do the Speech. The country would grind to halt.

[bickster]

1 hour ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

Agreed and no matter how hard I try,  can you really imagine Gerry sitting in there ? 

 

I'm fairly sure even if they did take their seats they'd only turn up on a vote of no confidence in the Government or to vote down any Brexit type stuff

[bickster]

Just now, Chindie said:

They might not want to put it back too much. She is 90 after all.

...****, can you imagine? She keels over right before they want to do the Speech. The country would grind to halt.

She's only 60 in mere mortal years

[Enda]

50 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

You raise an extremely important point, and the answer, as far as I can tell, is basically 'we don't know, and we didn't plan for it, and there isn't an obvious solution, but we really really hope we'll be able to muddle through somehow'. 

I think if you ask people seriously, all their answers basically end up being 'we'll outsource our border to the Republic of Ireland'. Which seems pretty presumptuous. Maybe it'll be possible, if we pay lots and lots and lots of money (this seems to be a running theme). 

I'd suggest everyone read this: http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2017/02/16/brexit-customs-unions-and-borders/

Short version: stay in the customs union and maybe something can be worked out; but if the UK insists on leaving the customs union (to strike promising free trade deals with the likes of Ghana and Bhutan) then the border is a certainty.

[mjmooney]

With all this talk of the press, has anybody noticed what has happened at the Independent? 

I'd long assumed that the press alignment was something like: 

Mirror - Labour

Guardian and Independent - tepid Blairite Labour

The rest - Tories

But the Indy was vehemently pro-Corbyn throughout the campaign. And even more weirdly, in matters non-political they seemed to have dived headlong into Daily Mail style shallow trivial shite - celebs, fashion, dieting, mild scandals, etc. 

It's almost like a strange attempt to capture the Mail's demographic and turn it socialist. 

[Chindie]

2 minutes ago, bickster said:

She's only 60 in mere mortal years

How long do reptilians live for? Surely she'd have to change the skin suit, it doesn't fit very well anymore.

[bickster]

1 minute ago, mjmooney said:

With all this talk of the press, has anybody noticed what has happened at the Independent? 

I'd long assumed that the press alignment was something like: 

Mirror - Labour

Guardian and Independent - tepid Blairite Labour

The rest - Tories

But the Indy was vehemently pro-Corbyn throughout the campaign. And even more weirdly, in matters non-political they seemed to have dived headlong into Daily Mail style shallow trivial shite - celebs, fashion, dieting, mild scandals, etc. 

It's almost like a strange attempt to capture the Mail's demographic and turn it socialist. 

Huff Post is the same, every article I read has some suggestions for other articles, nearly alway celebrollocks

[Xela]

5 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

But the Indy was vehemently pro-Corbyn throughout the campaign. And even more weirdly, in matters non-political they seemed to have dived headlong into Daily Mail style shallow trivial shite - celebs, fashion, dieting, mild scandals, etc. 

It's almost like a strange attempt to capture the Mail's demographic and turn it socialist. 

Surely that goes against its original core principle of being independent. 

I used to buy the Indy, was my favourite 'proper' paper. 

[itdoesntmatterwhatthissay]

15 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Interesting to note that EU nurse application numbers have absolutely collapsed.

Given that seemingly EU nurses don't want to work here anymore, numbers of British nurses coming through are falling, and nursing ages are apparently rather high, either we best hope this anti immigration thing we've got going turns a blind eye to brown nurses (and their number grows rather a lot) or we have some kind of miraculous change in the career aspirations of young women en masse.

Healthcare in this country is ****.

We've needed to reform the NHS employment process/budgeting for at least fifteen years. (I don't know what is was like before then).

The reliance on agency staff and external organisations is one problem. It may appear cost effective but the knock-on costs to care/consistency quickly wipe that saving. 
Another problem is the overall cost of becoming a nurse/healthcare professional. Many graduates are retraining but there aren't enough people being supported into nursing/training from an unqualified entry level hospital position.

We can immediately begin tackling under-supply by employing full time and delivering more accessible employment opportunities. It doesn't solve the existing problem but like much of the 'skills crisis', we must first create the right environment to increase capacity.

[bickster]

2 minutes ago, Chindie said:

How long do reptilians live for? Surely she'd have to change the skin suit, it doesn't fit very well anymore.

Only David Icke can know the answer to that

[chrisp65]

8 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

With all this talk of the press, has anybody noticed what has happened at the Independent? 

I'd long assumed that the press alignment was something like: 

Mirror - Labour

Guardian and Independent - tepid Blairite Labour

The rest - Tories

But the Indy was vehemently pro-Corbyn throughout the campaign. And even more weirdly, in matters non-political they seemed to have dived headlong into Daily Mail style shallow trivial shite - celebs, fashion, dieting, mild scandals, etc. 

It's almost like a strange attempt to capture the Mail's demographic and turn it socialist. 

 

5 minutes ago, bickster said:

Huff Post is the same, every article I read has some suggestions for other articles, nearly alway celebrollocks

Who are these people that simply won't believe what little Dave from Crossroads looks like now?

It is tricky getting in, reading what you want, and getting out again. I struggle to 'believe' an article when it's surrounded by shite about PPI, clever cats, ways to cheat ageing and some C listers nip slip. But still not as bad as local 'papers. Matt Kendrick / Birmingham Mail is simply unusable. 

 

[bickster]

Just now, chrisp65 said:

Matt Kendrick / Birmingham Mail is simply unusable. 

 

 

All Trinity Mirror websites exactly the same, The Mail's Merseyside sister the Echo suffers in the exact same way

its beyond clickbait