theboyangel Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, tinker said: Hes better than no one and should be given a chance to settle in the team while Jeds out, otherwise we go back to giving up on players without giving them a fair chance Has Bruce even used him this year??? Get the impression he doesn't rate him otherwise he would have featured more, especially as jedinak is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted February 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, theboyangel said: Has Bruce even used him this year??? Get the impression he doesn't rate him otherwise he would have featured more, especially as jedinak is out. I'm pretty sure he gave him a 4 year contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tinker said: I'm pretty sure he gave him a 4 year contract But hasn't played him. Even though we are short of options in the dm position.... the club issue contracts and I believe Gardner would've been out of contract at the end of the season. i would suggest the new contract was partially ensuring a fee if Gardner were to leave (which is a distinct possibility) anyway, we digress from the topic. Edited February 15, 2017 by theboyangel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 45 minutes ago, Reivax_Villa said: I hope that he stays How many times are we going to keep changing a manager because of some bad form? Villa will never be the club that we once were if we keep sacking managers. He is a very capable manager at this level and he deserves the time to make things right and make us effective. We wouldn't sack managers if they were doing a good job . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: 12 players would help, but might not be enough. Do you think the ref would notice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, mykeyb said: Bunn Bree Chester Baker Taylor/Amavi Jedinak Gardner - Hourihane - Lansbury - Thor Hogan - Kodja Wouldnt be pretty by any stretch, might swap Adomah in for Gardner if Adomah could produce some end product. If we cannot play 12 players then drop Gardner, it does mean our width might have to come from the full backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, theboyangel said: I'm sorry but he is not good enough even in this league. What is our record when Gardner has played this season? Presumably we have lost most of them.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, theboyangel said: Has Bruce even used him this year??? Get the impression he doesn't rate him otherwise he would have featured more, especially as jedinak is out. He played loads at the start of his tenure during our unbeaten run. He's not great but yeah possibly something to do if Jedinak is going to be out for a while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 21 minutes ago, mykeyb said: What is our record when Gardner has played this season? Presumably we have lost most of them.............. Think it's the opposite, he featured in many of the draws under RDM and again played the first 5-6 games under Bruce when we weren't losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 after Tactics Tim we now have Strategy Steve. I wonder what awful formation he will go with vs Newcastle I fear he will go for a McLEish vs Spurs type negative system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regista Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 The main problem with Bruce is, there is no system!!!!! We now have players who can play in a positive system, but we don't have the manager or coaches at the club to implement it. Before anyone says, 'how do you know, do you take notes at BMH'- No I do not, but it's obvious to see. We have a man who has signed the best players in the league and now has no clue how to play them all. Go back to my first posts and you'll see how much I banged on about Lansbury not being able to play in a 2 man midfield. Shock, he does and we get overrun every game. Yes Bruce has achieved promotions at other clubs, but they are nowhere near as big as Villa. Part of going to a big club is the expectation levels, as well as the demands for more positive football. He's a great fit for a team like Hull. We haven't been coached at all on how to press as a team. If one person attempts it it doesn't evolve in to packs or a team press, it just stops. Instead we are instructed, yes instructed to sit back, which invites pressure, which makes us drop deeper etc. What this also does is have a knock on effect to work rates. Believe me when you play for a manager who concentrates a lot on pressing it automatically introduces a better work ethic, because you have to work harder off the ball. There are many more specifics I could go through but it would take me all night. At the end of the day Bruce is a good Manager for the right club/players, which sadly isn't us. For people saying it's not worked changing so far. All managers under Lerner post O'Neill didn't stand a chance with the ambition of the Chairman. I guarantee those who want Bruce out now also want continuity more than anything but we also need that to be with someone who will implement a system, but it has to be a positive system at the same time, with tactically astute coaches. These fans would be giving Bruce time if they could see a bigger picture, but he himself has no idea what the picture is, that's the problem. We will improve under Bruce because we can't get any worse. But I am convinced he isn't astute enough to get the best out of this squad. Any manager who publicly says he isnt bothered about tactics will not succeed at a big club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, theboyangel said: I get what you're saying TRO but if the players aren't doing what Bruce is asking then he needs to give them a rocket up the arse. however, we also need to train with the intensity as if playing a competitive match and if they're not doing it, again it falls to Bruce to resolve. I totally agree....but if they are not listening to Bruce, who's to say they will listen and carry out the instructions of the next manager. intensity, grit, determination, will to win,desire is intrinsic.....a manager can't instil that not a few months anyway.....its a way, its a culture. How do know, he hasn't give them a rocket......you can only take the horse to the water, you can't make him drink. No, for me it's the players......even if it is new ones, it's their job to perform.....they are getting paid handsomely, they need to perform. ultimately, right or wrong.....He will pay the price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, theboyangel said: It was tongue in cheek tro. But our only player to give us a balanced midfield is 32 and currently crocked... where's the alternative? Well he may be loaned out.....but yes I get your drift.....we should have signed one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BigAl Posted February 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2017 If people think we are a laughing stock as it is wait until we get rid of the manager that has 4 promotions already to his name .Its a big job to turn Villa around much bigger than I thought it would be look results are shocking we are struggling I think the majority of the problem is confidence within the club when things start to go wrong it snowballs players look like they have no belief in themselves ,football is a confidence game we are certainly not as bad as we are playing and our signings haven't become bad players overnight it's rubbish at the moment but we just have to ride out the storm stick with Bruce and we will be a better team in the long run for it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 55 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Think it's the opposite, he featured in many of the draws under RDM and again played the first 5-6 games under Bruce when we weren't losing. Yes I think until Cardiff we hadn't lost with him playing a part. He is crap according to a lot of people but just perhaps he does the unseen stuff that helps out his team mates. Mind you I had lost count of how many Jedinak is crap comments too and look how lightweight our midfield looks without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 If Bruce was to go today I wonder what the highlight of his reign would be. Bringing back Gabby? jumping over McCormack gate? cant think of anything else 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Continuity means a lot in football I looked at Barnsley's formation for the previous 5 games it was the same Superior team cohesion no wonder they blew us off the park why do we overthink and overcomplicate things Strategy Steve failing miserably 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: If Bruce was to go today I wonder what the highlight of his reign would be. Bringing back Gabby? jumping over McCormack gate? cant think of anything else Leaving, it would be the leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 26 minutes ago, TRO said: I totally agree....but if they are not listening to Bruce, who's to say they will listen and carry out the instructions of the next manager. intensity, grit, determination, will to win,desire is intrinsic.....a manager can't instil that not a few months anyway.....its a way, its a culture. How do know, he hasn't give them a rocket......you can only take the horse to the water, you can't make him drink. No, for me it's the players......even if it is new ones, it's their job to perform.....they are getting paid handsomely, they need to perform. ultimately, right or wrong.....He will pay the price. In your opinion which members of the team aren't carrying out the managers instructions? I believe that they all want to win, all want to play well but they need a system in place that helps to get the best out of them. Playing a midfield four of Adomah, Hourihane, Lansbury and Grealish was completely lacking in steel and grit and the final result was no surprise. Manager or players to blame for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, AshVilla said: Continuity means a lot in football I looked at Barnsley's formation for the previous 5 games it was the same Superior team cohesion no wonder they blew us off the park why do we overthink and overcomplicate things Strategy Steve failing miserably And you can guarantee he will make changes for Newcastle and again for Derby and again for,..........,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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