Popular Post Alakagom Posted April 15 Popular Post Share Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: Or maybe they just want trusted people on a board. Yes which by accident all are related to people with construction companies, funding investments and real estate project leaders. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 3 hours ago, villarule123 said: Something is definitely going on, it probably has something to do with redeveloping VP, it could be that they think we need a new stadium to push on. You can't rule anything out, they've contradicted themselves in the past regarding the North Stand and other areas surrounding the club, so who knows. I highly doubt it will be a new stadium though, there hasn't been a single rumour of a potential site for one and they aren't just going to come out of the blue and say 'oh we're building a stadium here, we just haven't told anyone'. We will surely hear something about this before the summer, I'd guess it will be to do with the North Stand and nothing else, but maybe they have bigger ideas and want to redevelop other stands too. I'm just glad the owners appear all in, we won't get better owners than the ones we have, you just get the sense they know exactly what they're doing. There would be plenty of good reasons why they wouldn't admit to looking at potential venues for a new stadium. I am sure that the "cost" of sites capable of housing a PL stadium and all the services it requires would increase significantly if landowners in the area knew that Villa's billionaire owners were considering options. Much better to deny everything, put out some feelers from an apparently unconnected third party and try and get a full understanding of the actual value of each site prior to starting proper negotiations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Well, I for one will be sad if I go to a home game that's not at Villa Park. Maybe they will just completely overhaul the existing site, extend North Stand, fill in the corners, redesign upper Doug 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ejs1111 Posted April 15 Popular Post Share Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, ejs1111 said: Given the recent developments here with Directors named and Orascom project completions etc etc. Here are my 2 cents to what may be happening: VP expansion was put on 'hold'. NSWE wanted to pause the project knowing that there was potential for a larger VP project in the future. NS owns a large construction company that was not available until recently due to prior commitments- now they can fully commit to working on VP project. WE has connections from his work with the Bucks at land acquisition and project development- now those parties have been brought on board. Atarios was brought in as a minority owner to use their funding to assist in the acquisition of real estate, infrastructure etc. Any business man will tell you that you don't finance projects yourself- you use someone elses money- or you borrow money. Billionaires/developers don't spend their own money ever on construction- that is how you lose money- the payback period is too far out. You bring in investors or take out loans and pay the interest on that money instead- and keep your money. I see AVFC now with all 3 entities in place- funding (Atarios), management for acquisition (new directors), and construction (NS company). The question is? What and where? Either its a larger expansion of VP- I don't see this as likely. The ground is too restricted by travelways on either side, let alone all the individual homeowners that would need to be bought out. Relocating roads and buying homes would be a major political endeavor. A new VP is what I believe will ultimately happen. An earlier poster showed all the industrial ground adjacent to the new academy AVFC built near VP. Its an enormous site- that to me seems like an interesting spot to research. The city has already committed to upgrade the rail stations near VP for the Euros. Additional car parks can be added with the new stadium. New commercial and residential development can also be incorporated as well- making it a bit of a destination. The current VP site can be redeveloped as well as new commercial/residential- or the womens stadium could be located here, along with some commercial. very exciting times. UTV FYI I'm only speculating. I have ZERO knowledge of what the club is doing. I will say however my background is related. I'm a Land Planner in the US- so I do this for a living and work with these kinds of people- I don't design football stadia however- my background is helping to acquire property for large scale commercial/residential development, then designing and getting gov't approvals. It does make sense what AVFC is doing. They are getting everything lined up behind the scenes prior to venturing out and attempting to acquire property for a major project. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 12 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: Or maybe they just want trusted people on a board. Yeah but none of those trusted people are sports / marketing people. They're all in infrastructure. It might be a huge coincidence - but it seems odd that their expertise is concentrated so much in one area... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 I think given the way we do things out of the limelight if they were working on something they’d be NDA’s galore in place to restrict any leaks. I’d also expect if they were thinking of building a new stadium then someone like Manica, BIG, or Populous would be used and we would see definitive designs of the finished proposal and not some speculative pie in the sky, “I don’t know if we’re going to go with the spaceship look, but I think it gives you a strong idea of what our intent is.” BS rendering ala SHA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 15 Moderator Share Posted April 15 13 minutes ago, Alakagom said: Yes which by accident all are related to people with construction companies, funding investments and real estate project leaders. In fairness, "people with construction companies, funding investments and real estate project leaders" is Wes and Nassif - it's natural that the people they bring in would reflect the business's they own. I think there's a bit more than adding trusted figures to the board going on, this is a team that have been brough together to do something, we just can't say for sure what something is going to be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, thabucks said: I think given the way we do things out of the limelight if they were working on something they’d be NDA’s galore in place to restrict any leaks. I’d also expect if they were thinking of building a new stadium then someone like Manica, BIG, or Populous would be used and we would see definitive designs of the finished proposal and not some speculative pie in the sky, “I don’t know if we’re going to go with the spaceship look, but I think it gives you a strong idea of what our intent is.” BS rendering ala SHA. What an incredible stadium render. Looks like it was created by Bing AI: and proceeds to cut out half of the stadium... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 15 Moderator Share Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, allani said: Yeah but none of those trusted people are sports / marketing people. Atairos are a fund founded by a sports/marketng company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Atairos are a fund founded by a sports/marketng company. Yeah - I should have said none of the new people (given that Atairos option makes sense as they've just become minority owners in VSports). The other names have come out of nowhere in terms of known official links to our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: In fairness, "people with construction companies, funding investments and real estate project leaders" is Wes and Nassif - it's natural that the people they bring in would reflect the business's they own. I think there's a bit more than adding trusted figures to the board going on, this is a team that have been brough together to do something, we just can't say for sure what something is going to be. I'm sure it is going to be exciting. NSWE are showing that they are not here to make up the numbers. They seem to be ramping things up pretty rapidly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 15 Moderator Share Posted April 15 Just now, allani said: Yeah - I should have said none of the new people (given that Atairos option makes sense as they've just become minority owners in VSports). The other names have come out of nowhere in terms of known official links to our club. The other names are people who work for Wes and Nassif - they aren't new in terms of what they bring to the table, the business's and interests they represent are already owned by our owners. The only new people are Atairos - they have experience in growing businesses, and especially sports/media/events businesses. It's really quite an exciting move in terms of what it suggests and the ability and experience it gives us (not to mention the finance) but in terms of construction/infrastructure development, we were very, very strong anyway. Bashir Lebada is Nassif's right hand man and has apparently had quite a bit of impact into Villa for a little while. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said: The other names are people who work for Wes and Nassif - they aren't new in terms of what they bring to the table, the business's and interests they represent are already owned by our owners. The only new people are Atairos - they have experience in growing businesses, and especially sports/media/events businesses. It's really quite an exciting move in terms of what it suggests and the ability and experience it gives us (not to mention the finance) but in terms of construction/infrastructure development, we were very, very strong anyway. Bashir Lebada is Nassif's right hand man and has apparently had quite a bit of impact into Villa for a little while. It seems like the next phase is beginning to take shape and those people are now dedicating more time and focus to grow villa. This is exciting imo. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 15 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15 43 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: There we go. That's why we need a new stadium Because some children liked a stadium tour more? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Villa_Vids said: It seems like the next phase is beginning to take shape and those people are now dedicating more time and focus to grow villa. This is exciting imo. As @OutByEaster? said - it's hard to believe that this is coincidental. It has the feel of something (big) happening. I don't think this is about rewarding people for their previous work by giving them a directorship of another company. It feels like they've been appointed to do something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroesAndVillans Posted April 15 VT Supporter Share Posted April 15 4 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: It seems like the next phase is beginning to take shape and those people are now dedicating more time and focus to grow villa. This is exciting imo. Very nice that our league performance has improved dramatically at the same time as this. Things like overseas shirt sales are bound to go up a lot if we can manage to keep qualifying for Europe and start regularly competing for trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Complete guesswork but if theres anyone in this countries second city that is going to develop a huge stadium/ hotel/ retail development then it will be our lot. We arent going to come second to Blues when it comes to multi use . Its inconceivable that we would stay at VP and get left behind commercially ( but not football wise) because of our emotional attachment. Every decent sized club has either moved or has plans to move. Utd , Chelsea Newcastle . Even Crystal Palace are looking at a North Stand type development . The way that Heck came in , did due diligence, and then seemed to shelve/ delay the North Stand development , and then soon after Atairos are announced as minority shareholders is too much of a co incidence for me . Birmingham Council will i am sure due to their finances be willing to do all kinds of land deals to help fund services at the moment. We would be stupid not to take advantage. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Well, this is all very interesting and exciting. It seems Heck is off the hook for the North Stand 'pause', considering the people and investment being brought in close to the owners, it seems very unlikely he'd be the driving force behind it and not the owners themselves. Certainly looks like we have grander plans now, whether that is on the current site or elsewhere. That decision might not even have been made yet, we may be looking at building multiple business cases for both. My gut feeling is they want to stay on or near the current site, but a lot depends on how much room their plans will need and how much of that we can get at a reasonable price. I think the main thing to take from this is that our owner's ambitions aren't limited to just on the pitch, they mean business. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Captain_Townsend said: Oh just tell us already what the plan is. Aitaros, Adidas and Betano first meeting with Heck and the board: " First off... The badge is absolutely shite... we are binning that if you want us to move forward here without looking like a laughing stock " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: Well, this is all very interesting and exciting. It seems Heck is off the hook for the North Stand 'pause', considering the people and investment being brought in close to the owners, it seems very unlikely he'd be the driving force behind it and not the owners themselves. Certainly looks like we have grander plans now, whether that is on the current site or elsewhere. That decision might not even have been made yet, we may be looking at building multiple business cases for both. My gut feeling is they want to stay on or near the current site, but a lot depends on how much room their plans will need and how much of that we can get at a reasonable price. I think the main thing to take from this is that our owner's ambitions aren't limited to just on the pitch, they mean business. I am reading all of today's updates on the Board, etc whilst watching a replay of yesterday's match (Tielemans has just hit the bar and the post). I'm not sure which is giving me a bigger hard on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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