desensitized43 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, bickster said: So which bit of Jon Snow's tweet was bollocks then? Turns out Jon Snow doesn't know nothing 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2019 That's Cox being persona non grata for the foreseeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Does that mean that Cox's codpiece doesn't provide cover for May's instrument? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Must have been posted expecting Cox to provide positive guidanc-.... 11:45. Ah right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 12, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Must have been posted expecting Cox to provide positive guidanc-.... 11:45. Ah right. Maybe he's only just awoken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted March 12, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2019 Nigel Farage's March to Leave only bought the .com domain name, they didn't buy the Marchtoleave.co.uk one, it seems our leaders the donkeys however did Schoolboy error Nigel, schoolboy error! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: So which bit of Jon Snow's tweet was bollocks then? Presumably the 'was told to go away and find a way to make it a YES' part? Doubt it was bollocks tbf, but of course we can never actually know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Faisal reporting that the ERMs are saying they won't be voting for the deal. Not sure whether Cox's response to Dodds has convinced the DUP to consider things. He wasn't shaking his head or anything so I guess there's a possibility. I wonder whether that may have some ERMs changing their mind (though by Bill Cash's words, I doubt he will be one of them). Edit: This tweet details Cash's views: Edited March 12, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Thought this, from Richard Seymour, was interesting: All the Brexit you can eat 'I just cannot understand Theresa May's Brexit strategy. To get a parliamentary majority, she and everyone else knows perfectly well that she must drop Tory 'red lines'. She must negotiate seriously with Labour MPs and unions, make real concessions on workers' rights, and offer serious investment to Leave-voting constituencies. Yes, that means **** over her own headbanger backbenchers and the DUP. Yes, it risks a schism. Yes, her parliamentary situation is precarious enough. Yes, it means giving something to Jeremy Corbyn. But consider the results of actually securing a deal. Currently, businesses are hoarding a lot of capital. In the last year, we've seen the longest downswing in business investment outside of a recession for fifteen yeas. On top of that, almost a trillion pounds in assets and investments has been withdrawn from the City in fear of a "no deal" Brexit. (They call this 'Brexodus', because of course they do.) In the event of a deal, even May's dismal deal, all that investment comes flooding back in. Unless the inevitable recession hits before then, it means a significant bump in economic growth in an otherwise weak economy, a bonus for Treasury receipts and a chance for Philip Hammond to relax the purse strings. All that money being set aside for 'no deal' preparations could be handed out to government departments. The Tories would have delivered on an historic mission, the Remoaners would be temporarily marginalised, Labour would be weakened, and May would get quite a lot of cachet from affluent centre-ground voters for standing up to her nutters. I would expect the Conservatives to start polling in the mid-Forties if they achieved that. Given the degree of fragmentation of public opinion on Brexit, any definite resolution would likely be welcomed. That would surely weaken the hand of right-wing splitters. Instead, what we've had from May, repeatedly, is a series of feints. Pretend negotiations with Labour MPs. Pretend negotiations with opposition leaders. Pretend negotiations with unions. Pretend investment in Leave constituencies. Pretend concessions on workers' rights. Pretend game-changing amendments to the Brexit deal. Pretences which fool, precisely, no one. Which, somehow, aren't even supposed to kid anyone. May acts as if her ultimate 'red line' is a complete unwillingness to countenance a rupture with the backbench enragés. Granted, she doesn't have much to fear from Tory Remainers. It's difficult to believe that May is particularly afraid of Anna Soubry and TIG. So, to an extent, she is putting 'party unity' first. She sees, accurately, where the greater danger of a split comes from. But surely the whole point of being the leader of a party undertaking a major constitutional reform, especially a traditionally top-down party like the Conservatives, is that the leader is uniquely placed to determine the parameters of party unity, and the lines of demarcation. You create a fait accompli and challenge the your MPs to back it or split. Instead, May is walking straight into yet another parliamentary defeat. Perhaps not a record defeat, as before, but most likely a significant defeat. As Stephen Bush puts it, May has delivered so little on every front, that only those desperate to vote for her deal could do so. And, unless I badly misunderstand the composition of the House of Commons, that most likely means parliament will vote for an extension on Article 50. In which case, what? What exactly is May, the Prime Minister, supposed to do with that extension? Given her unwillingness to split the parliamentary party on this issue, given her hitherto rigid cleaving to impossible 'red lines', what can she be expected to do which is different from what she has done before? A larger question is why Theresa May has been able to run down the clock in the way that she has, forever hoping that exhaustion and fear will finally tilt the balance of parliamentary forces in her favour. Why has she been able to cling on to her office despite being subject to repeated parliamentary humiliations? The obvious answer, of course, is that she's protected by the fear that her colleagues and a number of Labour MPs overtly have, of Corbyn in Downing Street. So, the historic party of the British ruling class is now skewered, prevented from acting decisively, protected from any incentive to do so, by its twin fears of millennial socialism and middle-class reaction. Of the two, moreover, it obviously prefers the latter danger.' https://www.patreon.com/posts/25317490 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 This the latest from Dodds & the DUP: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 It might go largely unnoticed but it shouldn't: Rees-Mogg has just brought up the idea about a future Parliament (which can't be bound by the current one) [he may have said government] resiling from any obligations concerning the backstop. Why would anyone trust a country which has people in its Parliament even suggesting that as something for consideration especially if that person and/or those around him appear to have such an important position in the current decision-making process and may well have much more in any future government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Ha ha. May's voice is up the swanny again. I expect parts of the chamber to begin falling down shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 12, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2019 51 minutes ago, snowychap said: Faisal reporting that the ERMs are saying they won't be voting for the deal. Not sure whether Cox's response to Dodds has convinced the DUP to consider things. He wasn't shaking his head or anything so I guess there's a possibility. I wonder whether that may have some ERMs changing their mind (though by Bill Cash's words, I doubt he will be one of them). Edit: This tweet details Cash's views: "Star Chamber", eh? At least we now know the collective noun for a group of bell ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 12, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 12, 2019 Ah my sweet summer child... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Sweepstake? I'll go defeat by 75 due to abstentions. And it being held up as virtually a victory considering how bad it could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The Maybot will not power down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Sweepstake? I'll go defeat by 75 due to abstentions. And it being held up as virtually a victory considering how bad it could have been. Defeat by 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Sweepstake? I'll go defeat by 75 due to abstentions. And it being held up as virtually a victory considering how bad it could have been. Defeat by 170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 12, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2019 I'll go 220 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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