bickster Posted February 21, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, colhint said: not really, but it does seem to be a big split. People saying there is no chance of a deal They might let us back in quickly then to make up the shortfall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Locked out: the Brits in the EU who may not be able to return to the UK Quote The approval of the agreement on the UK withdrawal from the EU has given us British citizens living in EU countries a sense of security. Many of our rights will be protected under the deal. But not everything has been settled, as thousands will find out in just over two years time. Our only ‘mistake’ was to fall in love with someone from another country. In my own case it was with a Swede who subsequently spent many years studying, working and contributing to the UK. Since 2016, it has been common for families like ours to hear statements like “they’ll be fine, they’re related to a Brit” or ”I’m sure things will work themselves out”. Those statements could not be more wrong. Under immigration rules published in September 2019, British citizens who want to return to the UK with their EU families after 30 March 2022 will be subject to stringent UK immigration rules (the hostile environment policies introduced in 2012 by the then Home Secretary, Theresa May). This is already the reality for thousands of British citizens with non-EU partners. ... Monique Hawkins of the3million group of EU nationals in the UK sums up the feelings of Brits in Europe who have already become aware of this issue: “I simply do not understand why the British government would treat its own citizens across the Channel in this way.” “As a Dutch citizen living in the UK, I have been reassured by the Dutch government’s explicit statement that I have the right to return to the Netherlands in the future with my British (now non-EU) husband, without him having to be subjected to Dutch domestic immigration legislation. The EU Commission has confirmed to us that this is also the case with all other EU member states,” she says. “Granting this right is entirely in the gift of the British government and is not related to any negotiations with the EU.” ...more Edited February 23, 2020 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 hours ago, snowychap said: Interesting thread looking at what these noises might mean: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Interesting thread looking at what these noises might mean: Steve Peers has also done a blog today on the legalities of WA breaches, &c.: How do you solve a problem like Suella? The legal aspects of breach and termination of the withdrawal agreement Quote Today’s papers bring another story that the UK might be planning to breach the Brexit withdrawal agreement – including the report that the new Attorney-General Suella Braverman is poised to attempt to justify this legally. So what happens if the UK (or the EU) breaches the withdrawal agreement is not a hypothetical issue. I’ve previously discussed the dispute settlement rules in the agreement, as well as the Withdrawal Agreement Act giving effect to the treaty in the UK, but it’s useful to bring the key issues together, and also to look at the issues from the point of view of international law. This blog post summarises in turn the dispute settlement provisions of the withdrawal agreement and the rules on termination etc of treaties in international law, discussing the interaction between them. ...rest on link 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted February 24, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 Oh this series will run and run and run... Quote A Leave-voting business owner has said he regrets the decision because his fruit farms will collapse if he has no access to EU workers after Brexit. Harry Hall, of the Hall Hunter Partnership soft fruit company, said he was in favour of Brexit because of the issue of sovereignty but was concerned by the Government's approach to negotiations. Mr Hall was speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme as industry body British Summer Fruits (BSF) claimed prices for strawberries and raspberries could “soar” by between 35 per cent and 50 per cent if Brexit restricted access to EU labour. He said: “I regret my vote in the face of the Government I'm given. “The reason I voted to leave was that I'm in favour of sovereignty. This was about sovereignty for me. “As businessmen we need clarity about our future direction. “If I don't have my 2,500 staff that I need, or I have no certainty of that from 2019 onwards, I don't have a business. It's as simple as that.” Ah didums, I don't care Indie 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, bickster said: Oh this series will run and run and run... Ah didums, I don't care Indie Hmm. While I'm sure the sentiments are absolutely still valid: Quote Thursday 22 June 2017 13:49 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Hmm. While I'm sure the sentiments are absolutely still valid: Absoluitely no idea why that popped up for me today then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Well the trouble with Brexit is that it can mean all things to all people and so not going to be possible for all Brexit supporters be happy with the final settlement (whatever that ends up being). Presumably there will be some who will be happy with the strategy adopted by the government but many are going to end up frustrated that their version of Brexit was not the one that got pursued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2020 Our president spoke to us yesterday and told us that Downing Street said the UK wouldn't be seeking regulatory alignment with Europe for our industry (Aerospace). Then when basically every aerospace company in the UK said "what the **** do you mean? There would be literally no point in us being in the UK" they said something like "oh no we didn't mean that. We're looking into it" I'm paraphrasing. But that was the jist. And he was pissed off 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chindie Posted February 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2020 ...snigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Our president spoke to us yesterday and told us that Downing Street said the UK wouldn't be seeking regulatory alignment with Europe for our industry (Aerospace). Then when basically every aerospace company in the UK said "what the **** do you mean? There would be literally no point in us being in the UK" they said something like "oh no we didn't mean that. We're looking into it" I'm paraphrasing. But that was the jist. And he was pissed off Its highly doubtful we'd even be able to trade with the USA without alinement to EASA , in as much as the FAA acknowledge the certification standards , presumably it was another case of "talk tough" during the negotiation stage without being aware of what the actual regulatory impact is the parliament Brexit papers ( pre Boris / leaving) recommended we stay aligned to EASA , stating that leaving it wasn't really an option We recommend that the Government should seek to secure as near frictionless trade as possible between the UK and EU for the aerospace sector after Brexit Given that no alternative arrangements are being developed, the Government should rule out this possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Its highly doubtful we'd even be able to trade with the USA without alinement to EASA , in as much as the FAA acknowledge the certification standards , presumably it was another case of "talk tough" during the negotiation stage without being aware of what the actual regulatory impact is the parliament Brexit papers ( pre Boris / leaving) recommended we stay aligned to EASA , stating that leaving it wasn't really an option Yeah that's basically what he said. That Downing Street claimed they didn't really mean it and were just using it as a negotiation tactic. To which his answer was it's a shit tactic because everybody knows you can't do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 25, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted February 25, 2020 31 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Its highly doubtful we'd even be able to trade with the USA without alinement to EASA , in as much as the FAA acknowledge the certification standards , presumably it was another case of "talk tough" during the negotiation stage without being aware of what the actual regulatory impact is Yes, there's a massive read across between the FAA and EASA - it's not so much about recognising, or "acknowledging certification standards" - it's far more about huge swathes of regulation concerning build standards and then operating standards being basically exactly the same. For example ETSOs directly read across from TSOs. The government and leave campaigners (ministers and brexity throbbers) seem to have no idea at all as to what they are talking about, when they talk about "taking back control" or "making our own regulations" or "regaining sovereignty" - it's utter bollex. It's not about "not taking rules from others" - the world of the 21st century, and particularly high tech manufacturing and so on isn't like that. Rules, standards,and so on are drawn up collectively and adhered to collectively by large trade and supra-national organisations and blocks, to harmonise safety and standards and operating licenses etc. The whole "for" brexit argument just doesn't in any way tally with the reality and nature of areas like cars, aerospace, science, technology, transport, research, engineering, manufacturing.... and not only doesn't it tally, it's been ignored and cannot be anything but detrimental to the UK's involvement in those areas. And the throbbers don't even know they don't know, in most cases. Where they do know, they choose not to acknowledge the impact, but to lie about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Don't worry, lads. David Davis has been on the radio today telling us all about the German car manufacturers... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Well if our aerospace industry wants to work without recognised standards, does that mean they can only work with Boeing? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 13 hours ago, snowychap said: Don't worry, lads. David Davis has been on the radio today telling us all about the German car manufacturers... Did you know, they - get this, right - when they talk amongst themselves, they call us 'treasure Island'! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Did you know, they - get this, right - when they talk amongst themselves, they call us 'treasure Island'! Some sort of pirate allusion? Edited February 26, 2020 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, snowychap said: Some sort of pirate allusion? They're going to give us a jolly rogering. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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