tonyh29 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Woking voted remain but by a surprisingly low margin , I'd have expected a remain landslide there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Neil said: Well this is a demographic statistic if ever there was one. Sheffield awash with young and old eligible voters down the middle :- SHEFFIELD DECLARATION IN: 130,735 OUT: 136,018 I do find it very unfair that pensioners, that in truth only have a few years left, can swing this vote, well 16 and 17 year old who have the most to gain / loose get no say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just now, Danwichmann said: I do find it very unfair that pensioners, that in truth only have a few years left, can swing this vote, well 16 and 17 year old who have the most to gain / loose get no say. I dunno, they have the same entitlement...and they have the future of their siblings to vote for. A lot of them remember life before Europe, my parents especially and they are hardcore out voters. Not that my parents are pensioners yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Over 300k leave lead. I can't believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Danwichmann said: I do find it very unfair that pensioners, that in truth only have a few years left, can swing this vote, well 16 and 17 year old who have the most to gain / loose get no say. Do we know that young people didn't come out in favour of out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I'd much rather pensioners vote than 16 year olds with zero life knowledge and if Twitter etc is anything to go by just jump on whatever band-wagon is popular and will get them the most 'likes'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Neil said: I dunno, they have the same entitlement...and they have the future of their siblings to vote for. A lot of them remember life before Europe, my parents especially and they are hardcore out voters. Not that my parents are pensioners yet. I'm not saying we should take the vote away from pensioners, that clearly isn't workable even if I thought it was fair. But it could have been given to 16 and 17 year old. They are as capable of understanding the issue as most of the country, and will ultimately be the most effected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Just now, Danwichmann said: I'm not saying we should take the vote away from pensioners, that clearly isn't workable even if I thought it was fair. But it could have been given to 16 and 17 year old. They are as capable of understanding the issue as most of the country, and will ultimately be the most effected. I dont know about that, I suppose times have changed - but I guarantee that giving me or any of my mates the vote at the age of 16 or 17 would be a bad idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: Do we know that young people didn't come out in favour of out ? Whether the young voted in or out isn't the point, it's that the results will effect their lives, for better or worse, and they haven't had a say in it. They may have voted out, we'll never know, but would have meant they had a say in their future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) All down to the remaining London boroughs to save the remain campaign. EDIT - and the biggest vote of the lot from Birmingham. Latest forecast says it won't be enough. Edited June 24, 2016 by brommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, penguin said: I'd much rather pensioners vote than 16 year olds with zero life knowledge and if Twitter etc is anything to go by just jump on whatever band-wagon is popular and will get them the most 'likes'. Do you think adults have been immune to that? I think huge proportions of people are influenced by social media, or even worse, the sun. Academic now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Bloke in Brussels was saying that in terms of laws and trade we are still bound by them for 2 years from the date we trigger the leave vote ( assuming of course ) So on that basis are the markets reacting on events that are at least 2 years in the future ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Itv just revised its 75% leave win probability to 80% all the pressure on London now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Leave 500k ahead, increasing all the time. Not sure the London boroughs will be able to overcome that in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, Neil said: I dont know about that, I suppose times have changed - but I guarantee that giving me or any of my mates the vote at the age of 16 or 17 would be a bad idea... I work in primary schools, as a supply teacher. Even at that age I've seen a lot of children very interested in this, and asking some intelligentand reasonable questions. Some 16 and 17 year wouldn't use their vote responsibly, but the same in true of many adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 We're ****. Hopefully if I have grandkids they might have some money, I can't see myself having any ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Bloke in Brussels was saying that in terms of laws and trade we are still bound by them for 2 years from the date we trigger the leave vote ( assuming of course ) So on that basis are the markets reacting on events that are at least 2 years in the future ? But foreign investment will start to scale back before that. Long term confidence will be down, companies will scale back spending, think twice before recruiting. That will all happen straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 We can't be too long from someone calling it! Wonder how this will effect the coming Spanish election? All sort of fun geo-political times ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I'm no expert on the matter but do leave voters think leaving will improve the economy because I can't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, Danwichmann said: Whether the young voted in or out isn't the point, it's that the results will effect their lives, for better or worse, and they haven't had a say in it. They may have voted out, we'll never know, but would have meant they had a say in their future. events happen that effect people's lives all the time , they will get their chance in years to come , probably when they are older and wiser and thus more likely to vote Tory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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