mwj Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 1 minute ago, sexbelowsound said: A house and a football club are in no way comparable. They are if they are both a significant amount of your net worth. Substitute something else of monetary value to you (car, stamp collection etc) if it makes you feel better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted February 19, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2016 I think you're being slightly dismissive mwj. You say it will achieve nothing. If it is already getting airtime on the likes of BBC and ITV then that's an added embarrassment for Lerner and it increases the exposure of the protest to more fans. You say a disgruntled fanbase weakens his bargaining power. In that case and because of that fact it makes his life as Villa owner that bit less comfortable and makes him potentially more amenable to a cut-price sale. If this protest is the first of many steps then that too is a positive. A rebellion has to start somewhere. If this one fails but the next one succeeds off the back of it then it was a necessary step in the process. If however it succeeds and Lerner decides he wants out at any (reasonable) cost to himself then that's great too. But something has to happen. We need to start mobilising the troops. The fans are the troops, not to mention the financial long-term lifeblood. If we can make his life uncomfortable and make our disquiet as visible as we possibly can, and make his tenure even more embarrassing than the ignominious manner of this season's relegation then we must do that too. Otherwise the alternative is that we all sit here accepting everything that comes our way with zero fight and zero resistance. Arms crossed giving out about how it used to be. We have to at least try. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 We simply have to shout loud enough so that he has no choice but to hear us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 39 minutes ago, mwj said: They are if they are both a significant amount of your net worth. Substitute something else of monetary value to you (car, stamp collection etc) if it makes you feel better They aren't a significant amount of his net worth though. Also, buying and treating a football club like an asset shows just how naive he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted February 19, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2016 I have now also been contacted by SKY and another publication. Unfortunately both contacts are on holiday till early March so may not be able to get anything for Everton but may help later on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I think you're being slightly dismissive mwj. You say it will achieve nothing. If it is already getting airtime on the likes of BBC and ITV then that's an added embarrassment for Lerner and it increases the exposure of the protest to more fans. You say a disgruntled fanbase weakens his bargaining power. In that case and because of that fact it makes his life as Villa owner that bit less comfortable and makes him potentially more amenable to a cut-price sale. If this protest is the first of many steps then that too is a positive. A rebellion has to start somewhere. If this one fails but the next one succeeds off the back of it then it was a necessary step in the process. If however it succeeds and Lerner decides he wants out at any (reasonable) cost to himself then that's great too. But something has to happen. We need to start mobilising the troops. The fans are the troops, not to mention the financial long-term lifeblood. If we can make his life uncomfortable and make our disquiet as visible as we possibly can, and make his tenure even more embarrassing than the ignominious manner of this season's relegation then we must do that too. Otherwise the alternative is that we all sit here accepting everything that comes our way with zero fight and zero resistance. Arms crossed giving out about how it used to be. We have to at least try. Perhaps I am, and I would really like to be wrong, but at the end of the day his business is a dictatorship not a democracy. "Solidarity" achieves nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 They aren't a significant amount of his net worth though. Also, buying and treating a football club like an asset shows just how naive he is. £200million squid is a lot of money for anyone, no matter how rich you are. If you think a businessman (even one as shit as Randy) treats a football club as anything other than an asset then I'm not sure he's the naive one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, mwj said: Perhaps I am, and I would really like to be wrong, but at the end of the day his business is a dictatorship not a democracy. "Solidarity" achieves nothing. Indeed it is a dictatorship in so far as it is Lerner who decides the next step. But; and it's a big but; pretty much no-one enjoys being disliked. Or hated even. Unless they're a bit on the mental side, which I don't think Randy is. He's currently in a deteriorating situation owning Villa where things are getting worse on the ground and this will hopefully be a very visible example of that. If we can make it such that he wants to extricate himself from the situation sooner than he'd ideally like, then that's job done. One thing is for sure. If we did nothing, and we made his life relatively comfortable by doing nothing, then that wouldn't be fair on the club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Just now, mwj said: £200million squid is a lot of money for anyone, no matter how rich you are. If you think a businessman (even one as shit as Randy) treats a football club as anything other than an asset then I'm not sure he's the naive one... Don't think I could disagree with you anymore so without wishing to derail the thread further I think we can leave it at that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Nice one Mike! Great work! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Perhaps I am, and I would really like to be wrong, but at the end of the day his business is a dictatorship not a democracy. "Solidarity" achieves nothing. Stay in your seat then. This is a democracy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted February 19, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2016 Possibly something with SKY 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2016 Best start fine-tuning that script then Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Second what DDID says. Excellent work Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 On 15 February 2016 at 12:31, El-Reacho said: The Liverpool walk-out had a clear objective, and as a response to it the club met their objective. I'm not sure what we're trying to achieve here - what response are we hoping for? Lerner knows he's despised by the fans, and that we want him out, he wants himself out. That's why he won't come to the games. Does he sack Fox or Reilly as a response? Where does that leave us? Still screwed but with a different CEO. I don't think anyone outside of the Villa community cares that much - as bad as it is that a pillar of English footballing history drops out of the top tier they're more focused on who their own clubs are going to sign etc. That's exactly it for me. If Lerner wasn't looking to sell it'd have a point but he does. He won't take a £100m hit because a few hundred fans walk out on 74 min! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeMcKenna Posted February 19, 2016 Author VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2016 1 minute ago, BOF said: Best start fine-tuning that script then Mike haha Quite honestly mate I am dreading it. I would much rather have kept my head down and avoided the sniping that will inevitably come my way. To those who don't agree or don't see the point, can I just say, you may be absolutely right and I will probably end up with egg my face but.......... nothing ventured........! 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 19, 2016 Moderator Share Posted February 19, 2016 Just now, MikeMcKenna said: I will probably end up with egg my face but.......... nothing ventured........! Well that's it for me too. Say nothing comes of it and people try to mock. That mocking is what exactly? "Haha, you tried to help the club that you love". Ehh, O ... K ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Fair play for the effort. Just don't think it will show the world, media or randy Lerner anything in addition to what being bottom of the league with 16 points does. But, all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeMcKenna Posted February 19, 2016 Author VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2016 Guys if you have a twitter account or are on other forums please try to promote #outthedooron74 #avfc v Everton - even if you don't agree or cannot see the point it would only take a few minutes of your time. It's for a good cause :-) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Woodytom said: Fair play for the effort. Just don't think it will show the world, media or randy Lerner anything in addition to what being bottom of the league with 16 points does. But, all the best. I think at the minute we're finally seeing the press start to publish the fans views towards the Lerner regime, rather than manager or player focused stuff. We really need to continue this trend by giving the media more images of fan frustration, a walkout would get great coverage and also further show our anger towards the regime in control. Think this walk out makes a great deal of sense, perhaps we should have a different them every week, saw something about a tennis ball protest earlier on Twitter where we all throw tennis balls onto the pitch at a certain minute - sounds fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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