rodders0223 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 36 minutes ago, Supervillan78 said: The really sad thing is that history will remember Garde as the man that finally gets us relegated despite ironically being the best manager we've had since Houllier. In what way is that even remotely true? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted February 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2016 nobody is saying Sherwood did a brilliant job and should be brought back, Garde has been crap but seems to get away with murder for basically not being Tim Sherwood. Same way Lambert did as he wasnt McLeish 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 28, 2016 Garde has been incredibly disappointing. But he's so much more likeable than Sherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 15.8% win record. Even Joe Kinnear would have got some sort of reaction out of this bunch of words removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 28, 2016 Because he doesn't have a character? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Being likeable dosnt win him any games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 50 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: In what way is that even remotely true? Because he will be our manager when we go down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Supervillan78 said: Because he will be our manager when we go down. Best manager since Houllier.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onmeedson Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Maybe garde in a gillet would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 59 minutes ago, samjp26 said: The man that got us relegated is Randy Lerner Totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Best manager since Houllier.. Sorry, I don't understand your point. Garde is IMO a better manager than Big Eck, Lambert and Sherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Sherwood came off as a complete arse in the end, but he got the best out of the players we had, something Lambert couldn't but I think once we were safe from relegation the players were done physically and mentally. And then the clown transfer committee kicked in and Sherwood was so far out of his depth he drowned, as he couldn't integrate the players we had signed and clearly wanted Adebeyor and various other Spurs off casts that we refused to sign. Garde comes across as a decent and honest bloke, who call's a spade a spade, but I am not sure stating our youth aren't good enough, our squad isn't good enough, our players don't train hard enough or try for him, the club haven't backed him etc.. really helps. The squad isn't a good one, that we know, but I don't personally believe that the squad is as bad as the hype would have us believe or that another manager couldn't have kept us in the league short term, long term I believe if we can keep and back Garde he could build something, but he was never going to keep us in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: Sherwood came off as a complete arse in the end, but he got the best out of the players we had, something Lambert couldn't but I think once we were safe from relegation the players were done physically and mentally. And then the clown transfer committee kicked in and Sherwood was so far out of his depth he drowned, as he couldn't integrate the players we had signed and clearly wanted Adebeyor and various other Spurs off casts that we refused to sign. Garde comes across as a decent and honest bloke, who call's a spade a spade, but I am not sure stating our youth aren't good enough, our squad isn't good enough, our players don't train hard enough or try for him, the club haven't backed him etc.. really helps. The squad isn't a good one, that we know, but I don't personally believe that the squad is as bad as the hype would have us believe or that another manager couldn't have kept us in the league short term, long term I believe if we can keep and back Garde he could build something, but he was never going to keep us in the league. Lambert and Sherwood only survived relegation because of Benteke's goals. Once he was sold and the board/Sherwood failed to adequately replace him, we were doomed. As for everything else, Garde does have a legitimate argument, the board failed to secure a single signing in January despite the desperate need to improve the squad. As for the youth, I can't think of one player who would consistently get in the first team, Grealish being the latest product to prove the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) there's a couple of ways we'll find out if he's a good or bad manager... 1, he stays with us, gets backed, brings us back up in to the Prem and we stay there and go on to build a solid team, or he stays and we flounder into mediocrity 2, He gets the sack/resigns moves on to another club turns them into a success or failure Until this happens we'll never know. We have to wait and see. What i do know is he talks a good game and tells it as is is. It would be interesting to see a team of 'his' players perform. Clearly the ones out there now are not performing, regardless of ability you would still expect to see a 'shift' put in, and we are not seeing that......who's fault is that? The players or the manager? PS; Sunday Times running a full page article on Remi. Saw the article while i was in the coffee shop this morning and thought i'd read it later, but then, doh!!!! left the paper in the shop....ST has a firewall...anyone with copy of the article? Edited February 28, 2016 by imavillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I think it's clear that Garde is given a lot more of a pass than Sherwood. Think back to last season and Sherwood was getting hammered while keeping us up and getting us to a cup final. Garde has been given a free pass mainly it seems because his boss is a word removed and he replaced a word removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Supervillan78 said: Lambert and Sherwood only survived relegation because of Benteke's goals. Once he was sold and the board/Sherwood failed to adequately replace him, we were doomed. As for everything else, Garde does have a legitimate argument, the board failed to secure a single signing in January despite the desperate need to improve the squad. As for the youth, I can't think of one player who would consistently get in the first team, Grealish being the latest product to prove the point. I'm not saying Garde doesn't have a valid point, but in this case the players aren't playing for anything, they know we are as good as down, they as much as the fans can feel the negativity and constant mocking in the press. The difference being that while the fans suffer the players will just move on and pick up a fat pay cheque somewhere else. Telling them they are crap at this stage isn't going to motivate them or change anything, as they will just blame the club, anyone but themselves. Not saying our youth are that good, but I presume we are going to have to rely on some of them next year so we may as well get at few of them on the bench, which to be fair he is doing, but they need to get pitch time. I have seen enough from Grealish to believe he is or could be a good player, just again so many circumstances around the club and a tainted attitude from the player himself have meant his true ability is hard to assess. I know everyone buys into the negativity around the club, I do also. But I do wonder if some of it is being greatly exaggerated and in part used by the manager to lower our expectations to zero. Maybe not or maybe the truth is somewhere in between. Edited February 28, 2016 by VillanousOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 28, 2016 Is it possible to de doing worse than what Garde is doing? Sherwood managed it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 24 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Sherwood managed it Did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 28, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 28, 2016 Did he? [emoji4] Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) He didn't. I know we all hate Sherwood and all but he wasn't as bad as this. At least he got a reaction out of the players at some point. Garde has got nothing out of them. Edited February 28, 2016 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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