The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[DCJonah]

This is both sad and brilliant. This is why they'll continue to win, because of idiots like this bloke. 

 

[markavfc40]

I listened to this live earlier. This caller is the kind of clueless, brainwashed prat that keeps landing us with a Tory government.

 

Edited March 29, 2022 by markavfc40

[Genie]

The only credit I can give that caller is that he didn’t hang up earlier despite being made a fool of on national radio.

[markavfc40]

It isn't on the clip above but O'Brien said after that bloke won't now think he has been had by the Daily Mail or whatever right ring media has brainwashed/duped him. He'll go off blaming O'Brien or anyone who wants to call out misinformation or who wants vague statements backed up by facts or evidence. 

It isn't hard to see how we have ended up where we are is it.

Edited March 29, 2022 by markavfc40

[Genie]

18 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

It isn't on the clip above but O'Brien said after that bloke won't now think he has been had by the Dailey Mail or whatever right ring media has brainwashed/duped him. He'll go off blaming O'Brien or anyone who wants to call out misinformation or who wants vague statements backed up by facts or evidence. 

It isn't hard to see how we have ended up where we are is it.

It’s quite terrifying but you’re absolutely right. That callee wasn’t trying his luck, he absolutely believed he was right and I’m not sure the penny dropped at all.

Same with Brexit, people fundamentally believe deep in their soul that the UK HAD to leave the EU but 99% couldn’t articulate specific examples of why.

Sovereignty is the equivalent of that callers “left”. 

Brainwashing is the only word for it.

[blandy]

10 minutes ago, Genie said:

It’s quite terrifying but you’re absolutely right. That callee wasn’t trying his luck, he absolutely believed he was right and I’m not sure the penny dropped at all.

Same with Brexit, people fundamentally believe deep in their soul that the UK HAD to leave the EU but 99% couldn’t articulate specific examples of why.

Sovereignty is the equivalent of that callers “left”. 

Brainwashing is the only word for it.

I dunno. That’s maybe a part of it, but the gist of what the guy felt came across, even if he couldn’t match JO’B for mental dexterity. I took the gist to be that he didn’t approve of the Tory law breaking, but that when it comes to who he’d vote for in an election, taking the wider picture, not just a single issue of Downing Street piss ups, Labour is too left wing for him and so that is a bigger factor for him.

Of course Daily Heil scare stories reinforce that kind of attitude, quite intentionally. But it’s not about a definable right or wrong, as in “he was wrong and the penny didn’t drop”. It’s a political viewpoint.JO’B is reasonably skilled and brighter than most of the population and uses a technique which it seems people don’t spot, or can’t easily counter, in part because they haven’t really thought through how they’d explain their views to a radio host who will challenge them.

[Genie]

Just now, blandy said:

I dunno. That’s maybe a part of it, but the gist of what the guy felt came across, even if he couldn’t match JO’B for mental dexterity. I took the gist to be that he didn’t approve of the Tory law breaking, but that when it comes to who he’d vote for in an election, taking the wider picture, not just a single issue of Downing Street piss ups, Labour is too left wing for him and so that is a bigger factor for him.

Of course Daily Heil scare stories reinforce that kind of attitude, quite intentionally. But it’s not about a definable right or wrong, as in “he was wrong and the penny didn’t drop”. It’s a political viewpoint.JO’B is reasonably skilled and brighter than most of the population and uses a technique which it seems people don’t spot, or can’t easily counter, in part because they haven’t really thought through how they’d explain their views to a radio host who will challenge them.

For me the point it showed was that he was concerned about Labour being too “left” but didn’t actually understand what that meant. Just that a party being left wasn’t a good thing and he should be against it.

If he could give some examples then fair enough, it’s what he values and he’s backing it. No problem. But he couldn’t, he didn’t really understand what he was so passionate about. He thought that labour being left was worse than the Tories breaking the law 20+ times, despite not knowing what about being left was a bad thing.

[markavfc40]

12 minutes ago, blandy said:

I took the gist to be that he didn’t approve of the Tory law breaking, but that when it comes to who he’d vote for in an election, taking the wider picture, not just a single issue of Downing Street piss ups, Labour is too left wing for him and so that is a bigger factor for him.

 

The thing was as @Geniesaid the bloke couldn't name one thing he didn't approve of with Labour in terms of policies despite being given ample opportunities. If you are that convinced the main opposition party is worse than this current, now law breaking, mob, then surely you should be able to reel of quite the list especially as you have taken the time to phone into a national radio station to put up that argument. 

[bickster]

4 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

now law breaking

What has now got to do with it? They've been breaking the law since Johnson took over

The "Party of Law and Order" has no respect for the law at all

[Rolta]

46 minutes ago, blandy said:

I dunno. That’s maybe a part of it, but the gist of what the guy felt came across, even if he couldn’t match JO’B for mental dexterity. I took the gist to be that he didn’t approve of the Tory law breaking, but that when it comes to who he’d vote for in an election, taking the wider picture, not just a single issue of Downing Street piss ups, Labour is too left wing for him and so that is a bigger factor for him.

Of course Daily Heil scare stories reinforce that kind of attitude, quite intentionally. But it’s not about a definable right or wrong, as in “he was wrong and the penny didn’t drop”. It’s a political viewpoint.JO’B is reasonably skilled and brighter than most of the population and uses a technique which it seems people don’t spot, or can’t easily counter, in part because they haven’t really thought through how they’d explain their views to a radio host who will challenge them.

'The left' has been fostered as a kind of boogeyman. I think this video is pretty convincing evidence. It's why there's always an angle...snowflakes, woke, cancel culture. Nobody talks more about this stuff and gets more capital from it than the right wing press. It keeps people in their place. 

[Genie]

24 minutes ago, bickster said:

What has now got to do with it?

Cos he said labour are worse than a bunch of criminals then couldn’t come up with a single example of how or why.

[Dodgyknees]

38 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

The thing was as @Geniesaid the bloke couldn't name one thing he didn't approve of with Labour in terms of policies despite being given ample opportunities. If you are that convinced the main opposition party is worse than this current, now law breaking, mob, then surely you should be able to reel of quite the list especially as you have taken the time to phone into a national radio station to put up that argument. 

lAbOuR sUpPoRt ThE iRa

[Lichfield Dean]

1 minute ago, Dodgyknees said:

lAbOuR sUpPoRt ThE iRa

Yep. He said this as a matter of fact. Like it's actually true. He genuinely believed it.

[Dodgyknees]

4 minutes ago, Lichfield Dean said:

Yep. He said this as a matter of fact. Like it's actually true. He genuinely believed it.

Yep. Basically just regurgitating right wing media headlines.

[bickster]

33 minutes ago, Lichfield Dean said:

Yep. He said this as a matter of fact. Like it's actually true. He genuinely believed it.

Well there's this former leader of the party who... and then there's a former Shadow Chancellor who... and then there's this former Shadow Home Secretary...

And that's only going back two years and the people who held those positions, the top three positions who all have a little bit of history when it comes to the IRA and support

The current Labour Party this minute, yes I'd agree with you but Labour and the IRA isn't that bloke talking that much bollocks tbh

[chrisp65]

Who amongst us hasn’t looked down the camera and said ‘up the RA’?

 

[bobzy]

53 minutes ago, bickster said:

Well there's this former leader of the party who... and then there's a former Shadow Chancellor who... and then there's this former Shadow Home Secretary...

And that's only going back two years and the people who held those positions, the top three positions who all have a little bit of history when it comes to the IRA and support

The current Labour Party this minute, yes I'd agree with you but Labour and the IRA isn't that bloke talking that much bollocks tbh

The past is always relevant.  It’s why my Dad will never vote Labour.

Sensible view point I guess. 

[Rolta]

15 minutes ago, bobzy said:

The past is always relevant.  It’s why my Dad will never vote Labour.

Sensible view point I guess. 

Genuinely trying to work out if this is satire!

[Mark Albrighton]

I myself don’t care about them holding it on the same day, but considering Downing Street had a party the night before Phil the Greek’s funeral…for Johnson to host a government social get together on the same day as the queen is having his memorial service is an odd one.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it will make any difference, but it seems like a slightly unnecessary risk in terms of the optics. 
 

[chrisp65]

8 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said:

I myself don’t care about them holding it on the same day, but considering Downing Street had a party the night before Phil the Greek’s funeral…for Johnson to host a government social get together on the same day as the queen is having his memorial service is an odd one.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it will make any difference, but it seems like a slightly unnecessary risk in terms of the optics. 
 

As long as they haven’t booked Pizza Express Woking they should be fine.