Chindie Posted October 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 29, 2020 Not accepting that anti-Semitism was rife and it was all his fault is considered contrary to the report and therefore gives the party the golden opportunity to kill the great Satan. If you didn't have suspicions about this, the entire thing stinks to high heaven. You could smell it months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, darrenm said: What's wrong with any of this? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158939532253872&id=330250343871 Why say anything at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 So he’s suspended for his comment rather than the findings of the report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: So he’s suspended for his comment rather than the findings of the report? Pretty much. From a skim of the report is criticism of the former leadership is basically having any involvement in the disciplinary processes at all (despite the clamour for them do so) and irrespective of whether that was to hinder or help the process (the latter it appears was actually the case). But apparently to claim that anti-Semitism was trumped up for political purposes is (absurdly) in itself anti-Semitic, so here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: So he’s suspended for his comment rather than the findings of the report? Yes, that's the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted October 29, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, darrenm said: What's wrong with any of this? Doesn't accept all of the findings would be the obvious one. He's deliberately made that statement to split the party. If there is to be a new party, my prediction is that it will become largely irrelevant and the like's of Hatton, Gorgious George and Livingstone will be allowed to join. Hell maybe even the rump of the SWP will join, then they all start shagging each other and accusing each other of coercive behaviour, then hopefully disappear up their own arses, like every extreme left wing party has always done in this country It also goes in some part to say that winning elections for Corbyn's Labour was never the point. Taking the brand and the machinery was the point. A new party will have none of that 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Corbyn's too old to go set up another party - would also be a hinderance to one too. No idea who'd actually go set one up, probably nobody - hardly worked for Change Uk or whatever they were called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 The chances of a split come not from suspending Corbyn - if this were simply about one person, they could just let him wait in purgatory for 3 years and then either run a candidate against him or hope he retired - but from exactly this: Now, there are going to be those on here whose response is 'good, purge the lot' or variants thereof. But Starmer is somewhat hoist by his own petard; having accepted the findings that the leader's office should play no role in dealing with complaints, the size of his caucus may well be out of his hands, as the party lies at the mercy of nakedly factional complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 29, 2020 Stalinist purge! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Chindie said: Stalinist purge! Yes, thank God we avoided the danger of those, and manage to save the party as it should be, a 'broad church'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: Yes, thank God we avoided the danger of those, and manage to save the party as it should be, a 'broad church'. It's a very broad church. It's just the church has some membership requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Yes, thank God we avoided the danger of those, and manage to save the party as it should be, a 'broad church'. It would be fun, if they started praising a god at the end of all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 McDonnell is never wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jareth said: McDonnell is never wrong Sure? Labour's John McDonnell admits his pro-IRA comments 'part of the problem' Labour MP John McDonnell has admitted that his previous comments in support of the IRA helped foster religious division. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Awol said: Sure? Labour's John McDonnell admits his pro-IRA comments 'part of the problem' He's talking about party unity - he can see where this is going. But yeah, what he said 40 years ago is more to the point here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Chindie said: Stalinist purge! Yes of course. Stalin executed about three quarters of a million people in his purge of 1937, this compares so accurately with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Jareth said: He's talking about party unity - he can see where this is going. But yeah, what he said 40 years ago is more to the point here. 'Party unity' is doing some heavy lifting here. I'm old enough to remember when the hard left achieved a hostile takeover of the Labour party and bayed for the removal of all Blairite-type figures. McDonnell can see the writing on the wall for his faction, and is now trying to prevent happening to him what his lot tried to do to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Awol said: 'Party unity' is doing some heavy lifting here. I'm old enough to remember when the hard left achieved a hostile takeover of the Labour party and bayed for the removal of all Blairite-type figures. McDonnell can see the writing on the wall for his faction, and is now trying to prevent happening to him what his lot tried to do to others. Sorry, but I must be in need of a history lesson - can you please tell me more about 'when the hard left achieved a hostile takeover of the Labour party'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Awol said: 'Party unity' is doing some heavy lifting here. I'm old enough to remember when the hard left achieved a hostile takeover of the Labour party and bayed for the removal of all Blairite-type figures. McDonnell can see the writing on the wall for his faction, and is now trying to prevent happening to him what his lot tried to do to others. Ho ho. 62% of members voted for him in what can only be described as hostile democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 29, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jareth said: Ho ho. 62% of members voted for him in what can only be described as hostile democracy. Entryism as espoused by Leon Trotsky in 1934 would be the more accurate term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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