The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[Thug]

Just now, bickster said:

Prime Ministers aren’t elected in this country. Repeating this nonsense just gives people the wrong impression of the current system

if you’re going to be pedantic, then so am I.

The party that forms government is usually the one that wins the election, with its leader being APPOINTED as prime minister.

The leader of the party is ELECTED by members of the party.

Ergo: Prime ministers ARE elected in this country.

So don’t repeat your nonsense. Next time please clarify which electorate you are referring to avoid people getting the wrong impression of the voting system.

 

Less pedantic answer:

 

The last two prime ministers were not APPOINTED by the residing monarch after the PARTY THEY REPRESENTED had won a controlling majority number of seats in a general election with its present leader in office.

I apologise whole-heartedly to anyone that read my nonsense and was ready to take up arms against the establishment.

I wrongly gave the impression that the leader of a political party has an influence on voting patterns.  I was wrong to suggest that if a political party wins an ELECTION that the natural progression from the result of this election would be the said leader of said party being appointed prime minister.  It is entirely possible that the monarch may choose not to do this.  

 

I was therefore incorrect to suggest that they would have been Elected into office.  The correct way to have said this would have been to say that prime minister had been APPOINTED into the role after being ELECTED as leader of their party and then the party to have won the election whilst this person was in charge of the party.

Hell, I may even be wrong about what I wrote above, but I’m sure I’ll soon find out, and apologise for it too.

we cool now?

 

 

 

[chrisp65]

Trouble is, people voted for Johnson, and got their local donkey sex pest with a rosette.

Then Johnson is gone, and all they’ve got is the sex pest donkey with a rosette.

We need a bit more education on how it works.

Or an overhaul of the whole Westminster ting.

[limpid]

2 hours ago, Thug said:

if you’re going to be pedantic, then so am I.

The party that forms government is usually the one that wins the election, with its leader being APPOINTED as prime minister.

The leader of the party is ELECTED by members of the party.

If we're going to be pedantic, then it is only a matter of tradition / party rules that a party elects it's leader. There is no requirement for the selection of a party leader to be the result of a ballot.

[bickster]

5 minutes ago, limpid said:

If we're going to be pedantic, then it is only a matter of tradition / party rules that a party elects it's leader. There is no requirement for the selection of a party leader to be the result of a ballot.

And it’s only very recently that the Tory Party has even put their leadership out to the wider membership. It was just the MPs.

[Thug]

1 minute ago, limpid said:

If we're going to be pedantic, then it is only a matter of tradition / party rules that a party elects it's leader. There is no requirement for the selection of a party leader to be the result of a ballot.

There you go, I was even more wrong than I thought I was wrong.

And as promised, I apologise once again for leading the masses astray.

In my defence, how was I supposed to know that, when even the constitution of the party makes it look like it’s a thing?

I would love to know the full details  of how the electoral system works?

 

https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf

 

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page 3, part III LEADERSHIP
‘’there shall be a leader….who is elected by the party members..”

 

[limpid]

15 minutes ago, Thug said:

There you go, I was even more wrong than I thought I was wrong.

And as promised, I apologise once again for leading the masses astray.

In my defence, how was I supposed to know that, when even the constitution of the party makes it look like it’s a thing?

I would love to know the full details  of how the electoral system works?

https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf

I think you'll find that's just one party. It wouldn't apply if the Count Binface achieved a majority.

We don't have a written constitution. It's all by tradition and that's why the Conservative Party have got away with so much stuff. They just shrug when they get caught and don't have the morals to resign.

[Jareth]

I assume - that Labour looked at where these 1.5 million votes were located, and decided it would be no issue to lose them at an election? I'd have thought most were concentrated in cities where Labour are strong anyway. 

[Seat68]

3 minutes ago, Jareth said:

I assume - that Labour looked at where these 1.5 million votes were located, and decided it would be no issue to lose them at an election? I'd have thought most were concentrated in cities where Labour are strong anyway. 

It's X so don't have access to any detail on any subsequent tweets. It does seem lacking on detail, what was the starting point? What is the current point? Not really aimed at you Jareth, more at Taj Ali. Will have a Google to see if more detail is off X. 

[blandy]

1 minute ago, Jareth said:

I assume - that Labour looked at where these 1.5 million votes were located, and decided it would be no issue to lose them at an election? I'd have thought most were concentrated in cities where Labour are strong anyway. 

I think the exact opposite. I think they didn’t look, and now realise they’ve pissed off a load of potential voters and will reverse ferret/revise their stance.  The interview answer by Starmer was sloppy and lacked clarity and was contradictory and the subsequent “explanation” was weak.

If he’d answered along the lines of “Israel has a right to defend itself and to bring Hamas to justice, but also has an obligation to adhere to international humanitarian law and protect the lives not just of its own population, but also the lives of civilians in Palestine” then he’d have been fine, I think.

[Seat68]

28 minutes ago, Jareth said:

I assume - that Labour looked at where these 1.5 million votes were located, and decided it would be no issue to lose them at an election? I'd have thought most were concentrated in cities where Labour are strong anyway. 

Found an overview and it is quite interesting to be honest. A good survey, relatively broad across constituencies

https://muslimcensus.co.uk/muslim-vote/#:~:text=Our results show that 78,of their regular Muslim vote.

I will quote some text as thats the VT rules, but the linked page is worth a read. 

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Our results show that 78% of Muslim voters opted for Labour in the 2019 general election, however this drops to 38% when asked about their voting habits should a general election occur tomorrow. Keir Starmer’s party are at risk of losing 55% of their regular Muslim vote. If this were to play out, the consequences could be substantial. Although Muslims make up just 4.4% of the UK population, they have a considerable impact on the political system.

Of those who would not vote Labour again, 1 in 4 would switch to a different party – travelling largely to the Green Party or the Liberal Democrats. The remaining 3 out of 4 Labour leavers said that they would either abstain from voting entirely or are completely undecided.

 

[Seat68]

From the same site linked above, this is a really interesting breakdown of a stat from the survey of muslim voters.

https://muslimcensus.co.uk/labour-losing-muslim-vote/.

 

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• In the 2019 Election, our participants voted:
  • 71% – Labour
  • 12% – Did not vote
  • 9% – Conservatives
  • 2.5% – Liberal Democrats
  • 2% – Green Party
  • 1.6% – SNP
  • 1.2% – Independent
  • 0.7% – Other

• If there were an election tomorrow, our participants responded:
  • 40% – Will not vote
  • 21% – Independent
  • 17% – Green Party
  • 10% – Liberal Democrat
  • 4.9% – SNP
  • 4.8% – Labour
  • 0.6% – Conservative
  • 3.5% – Other

That is a huge drop. Interestingly they say they are working on a heat map to show it at constituency level.

[bickster]

5 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

That is a huge drop. Interestingly they say they are working on a heat map to show it at constituency level.

It's also a complete nothing burger if you look at where those allegiances transfer to

[Thug]

Could backfire though.

Leaving the conservatives in charge.

[Seat68]

Just now, bickster said:

It's also a complete nothing burger if you look at where those allegiances transfer to

Absolutely, I was conscious of that. I found it more interesting in where they shifted to, more than Labours loss. I think it will be an element of the General Election that could be moderately fascinating, where the non white votes go. not just asian, but also the black vote outside of London. That interests me. Could be Labour, could be abstaining. I don't have the answer other than an interest.

[bickster]

6 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

Absolutely, I was conscious of that. I found it more interesting in where they shifted to, more than Labours loss. I think it will be an element of the General Election that could be moderately fascinating, where the non white votes go. not just asian, but also the black vote outside of London. That interests me. Could be Labour, could be abstaining. I don't have the answer other than an interest.

The only place where it would be a slight concern is Scotland I think

Similarly on a more general politics but related issue, what must literal Nazis be doing to themselves right now, their internal monologue must be tearing themselves to bits over which side to support.

[Seat68]

3 minutes ago, bickster said:

what must literal Nazis be doing to themselves right now, their internal monologue must be tearing themselves to bits over which side to support.

Has there ever been so much choice, back in the old days, BNP, NF, now, so much nazi to choose from, I wouldn't want to be them come polling day.

[Chindie]

Shadow chancellor and empty blouse filled with Tory porn Rachel Reeves has been accused of plagiarism, after her new book was found to have lifted large sections of text from other work and, most brilliantly, Wikipedia.

She denies the allegations of course. Probably while flashing some knickers with Thatchers face on.

Edited October 26, 2023 by Chindie

[ml1dch]

33 minutes ago, bickster said:

The only place where it would be a slight concern is Scotland I think

Sort of thing that could make a difference in Islington North as well.

[bickster]

2 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

Sort of thing that could make a difference in Islington North as well.

Maybe but I also think in 6 months time it'll be an entirely different story

Kneejerk polls like this rarely have the effect they suggest in the aftermath of an event.

[chrisp65]

1 hour ago, Chindie said:

Shadow chancellor and empty blouse filled with Tory porn Rachel Reeves has been accused of plagiarism, after her new book was found to have lifted large sections of text from other work and, most brilliantly, Wikipedia.

She denies the allegations of course. Probably while flashing some knickers with Thatchers face on.

 

I think it’s excellent, not only holding down a job as a constituency MP, also working hard as a shadow minister. But then having the time to write a book.

I think we can forgive some cut and paste.