The_Steve Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Hutton is a meatheaded thug. No real ability. Waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) We have some reasonably good players in this squad. Delph, Weimann, Gabby, Westwood to name a few. Lamberts biggest issue is getting 100% from these players. Weather its a confidence issue, positional issue, motivational issue. Lambert nearly all season has not been able to get the best out of these players. He even lost Benteke's quality for half the season excluding injuries. There has gotta be a manager that can motivate this team better. If they all play at 100% we have a good team. We have beat Chelsea, Arsenal etc for example. When I look at VT'S stats on the players after a good win all the players are 8 or above. Lambert is not a manager that can get consistancy out of this squad, never has been and for this reason there is no defence for him. We rarely see a game where we play out our skins but still lose. All loses seem to come from mistakes, poor play, tactics..... Yes, we could have new owners, money, better players come in. But can we honestly say Lambert will be able to get the best out of these higher quallity players, the consistencey we need and the correct tactics to suit these players. I have no confidence he can do this. Beating Chelsea then going on a losing steak is proof of this. In my opinion Lambert should have gone Christmas time and I do really think we would have been in a better position for it, even if it ment the Culverhouse/karsa issues wouldn't have happened because this blatently had a big effect on the players, something Lambert seemed to have got away with, even though my belief is he played a big part in this. Edited May 11, 2014 by foreveryoung 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 So apparently we would have got 5-8 points more (at least) if Benteke hadn't got injured. That word again "if" Benteke played most of last season and we were rubbish for most of that one too. Benteke managed 26 league games this season. But in how many were he fully fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 So apparently we would have got 5-8 points more (at least) if Benteke hadn't got injured. That word again "if" Benteke played most of last season and we were rubbish for most of that one too. Benteke managed 26 league games this season. But in how many were he fully fit? Who knows in how many games was he fully fit but it would be remiss of any manager to play a player for so long if not fully fit and risk a lengthier and more debilitating injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 TBH I'm not sure a fit benteke would have made much difference. Our approach to football this season wouldn't have got the best out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazvfc Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 So apparently we would have got 5-8 points more (at least) if Benteke hadn't got injured. That word again "if" Benteke played most of last season and we were rubbish for most of that one too. Benteke managed 26 league games this season. But in how many were he fully fit? Who knows in how many games was he fully fit but it would be remiss of any manager to play a player for so long if not fully fit and risk a lengthier and more debilitating injury. But Benteke himself said HE passed himself fit and wanted to play - what should Lambert have done - said he couldn't play - imaging the shit he'd of got if that had come out - fit player not played by said manager. Sometimes you cannot phsyically see if an injury has healed - if the players says himslef he i fit what do you do - call him a liar? Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) TBH I'm not sure a fit benteke would have made much difference. Our approach to football this season wouldn't have got the best out of him. He can get the best out of himself, I think we all know that. To state that he wouldn't of made much difference is a bit ridiculous to be honest mate, of course he would have and any team who loses their star striker would feel it. Edited May 11, 2014 by samjp26 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamsonwoodVillan Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Xela and Pacbuddies, note how I said he's TRIED to make us a team that can score. He certainly hasn't succeeded, with the odd exception e.g Norwich at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 TBH I'm not sure a fit benteke would have made much difference. Our approach to football this season wouldn't have got the best out of him. He can get the best out of himself, I think we all know that. To state that he wouldn't of made much difference is a bit ridiculous to be honest made, of course he would have and any team who loses their star striker would feel it. How many times did he do that though? He's not ronaldo and he's not going to consistently just make a goal out of nothing. With benteke this season we haven't looked great. We rely on hoofball up to him and IMO for most of the season wasted having such a quality player. I think with a different approach benteke could have made a big difference but the stats show with him wasn't that much different this season. Xela and Pacbuddies, note how I said he's TRIED to make us a team that can score. He certainly hasn't succeeded, with the odd exception e.g Norwich at home. How has he tried? What's he done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) Of course with a different approach he would make a big difference, a huge difference even. 'How many times did he do that?', well that is the point, if he was 100% fit he'd do it more often I'd assume just like he did last season. I'm not saying we've looked great with Benteke, but without him we are a lot worse off. Edited May 11, 2014 by samjp26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamsonwoodVillan Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I think his signings have been too focused on attacking players. I think in playing Benteke Agbonlahor and Weimann all together he has tried to get us scoring goals. Hasn't worked out though I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamsonwoodVillan Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 The £10m or so spent on Kozak and Tonev would have been better spent on a creative midfielder. Although I think Kozak would have had a decent season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 So apparently we would have got 5-8 points more (at least) if Benteke hadn't got injured. That word again "if" Benteke played most of last season and we were rubbish for most of that one too. Benteke managed 26 league games this season. But in how many were he fully fit? Who knows in how many games was he fully fit but it would be remiss of any manager to play a player for so long if not fully fit and risk a lengthier and more debilitating injury. But Benteke himself said HE passed himself fit and wanted to play - what should Lambert have done - said he couldn't play - imaging the shit he'd of got if that had come out - fit player not played by said manager. Sometimes you cannot phsyically see if an injury has healed - if the players says himslef he i fit what do you do - call him a liar? Just saying. Manage him. Monitor his play. even us as fans could see he wasn't completely fit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I think his signings have been too focused on attacking players. I think in playing Benteke Agbonlahor and Weimann all together he has tried to get us scoring goals. Hasn't worked out though I agree. I agree he's put attackers out there but I think our style of play IMO hasn't been very attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Bang 3 attackers on, hoof it up to them, try score at any chance. Not great football is it. This is why some of us question him tactically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazvfc Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 So apparently we would have got 5-8 points more (at least) if Benteke hadn't got injured. That word again "if" Benteke played most of last season and we were rubbish for most of that one too. Benteke managed 26 league games this season. But in how many were he fully fit? Who knows in how many games was he fully fit but it would be remiss of any manager to play a player for so long if not fully fit and risk a lengthier and more debilitating injury. But Benteke himself said HE passed himself fit and wanted to play - what should Lambert have done - said he couldn't play - imaging the shit he'd of got if that had come out - fit player not played by said manager. Sometimes you cannot phsyically see if an injury has healed - if the players says himslef he i fit what do you do - call him a liar? Just saying. Manage him. Monitor his play. even us as fans could see he wasn't completely fit! He did - as soon as it was noticed he was back in treatment - didn't he go to Belgium for a while? I seem to remember him come back in - then back out again after it became obvious he was not fit. Then he came back and scored a few goals then had that unfortunate achilles injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 If Lambert is our manager or not, we really, really need an attack minded midfielder (or 2) this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 The £10m or so spent on Kozak and Tonev would have been better spent on a creative midfielder. Although I think Kozak would have had a decent season. There is no way they cost £10m. If he'd had that much to spend on two players, he would have gone for completely different players I'm sure. I think it's common knowledge that he wanted to sign a creative midfielder but for a variety of reasons he couldn't get one in. If the takeover does happen and there is a decent budget, I think Lambert could find some really good players judging from the more expensive ones he has signed, and tried to sign since being here. If we get better players in then surely it wouldn't just be hoofball, it's not as if that was his Plan A when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 The £10m or so spent on Kozak and Tonev would have been better spent on a creative midfielder. Although I think Kozak would have had a decent season. £10 mil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 The reported numbers at the time were £7m for Kozak and £2.5m for Tonev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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