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Another one who has chosen a comparatively poor, one team league over one of the top ones, as in the "Premier League". As for Chelsea Does this mean all of those 8 year contracts they dished out will now only be useable against FFP for 5 years? Or do they once again get an unfair advantage over everyone else? Just like they did all those years ago when they had the Rusky land and spend unabated for so long before FFP came in preventing the rest of us from catching up.?

For me this is the proof that all that has been wrong with AVFC all these years is the fact we have simply not employed a top coach! Ron Saunders was of course a legend, Big Ron was good and Martin O'neill was ok as were Brian Little, Gregory & Graham Taylor MK 1. None of them were on the level of Emery though and for me this is why we were always under performing. As for some of the others!? So we finally have the answer as to what has bben wrong with AVFC for so many years! Decades in fact! We never put the main man in place!!!

I'm pretty chilled about it either way in all honesty. Obviously we all know the challenges if we do get Europe with the squad stretching (See Wolves & West Ham) but I see it as we have to do that sometime if we are serious about moving into the Europa or even the (not so) Champions League. On the other hand I was speaking to a Spurs fan last night & we were discussing the difference between the European comps. He rightly said that in some ways it's easier to get the Champions League places when you don't have the overload of games which the other comps give you. (Think it may have been his way of coping with their worse than expected season however) So it's a straight shoot out between Us, Spurs & Brentford. I have a horrid feeling Spurs will win as Leeds looked shot to me in their last game. So i think we have to win if we are to get Europe.

It is however both remarkable and odd how his (Toney's) ban kicks in just at the crucial moment to help Spurs's European push is it not? The old top 6 protection racket in full swing? Dodgy pennos & everything going on for Spurs! Talk about a helping hand. Whether he would've been out injured or not who knows but the timing is impeccable however you look at it. Why would you not just wait until all the games are over to start the ban? Anyhow it was a tall order anyhow & whatever happens I am proud of the club at the moment. It still kind of goes to the last day provided Spurs don't' win by more than the odd goal & ditto our result at Liverpool. If we can keep that goal difference close we have an outside chance regardless.

Just catching up on this story, In all honesty I never personally get worried about people like this leaving / not coming etc. The fact is he has now shown his colours and I am relieved it came out now rather than him abaondoning a half finished project or something in 6 months time. He clearly has no affiliation with Villa and clearly no respect either. A slippery eel doing what slippery eels do.

I agree that it wwas more down to the good marking and attrocious service he was getting. So many poor forward passes today until that last 15 mins. Midfield were not on it today.

So how much are this Wagner lot worth, anyone know?

Send off?! .... He has another 10 years in him that lad! Surely "Ashley Young" is the definition of irony?!

This is bang on. It's effetively spin in favour of the usual teams and against other teams who dare to try to intefere with the status quo. Arsenal have had so many decisions this season that it's ridiculous. So you could say "luck" or you could say it's their turn to get the helping hand from the corrupt Premier League. Their luck tends to be dodgy decisions or flukes like their 3rd goal against us in extra time both a fluke & with 2 players offside which VAR ignored. Meanwhile our "luck" tends to be the kind which sees an opposition player make an error which gives us a chance on goal, which we have been taking. As in Traore against Leicester away & Forest. Then of course there are a few VAR decisions which were correctly given in our favour (amidst the several we didn't get which we should have) Most of our wins though have been hard fought and littered with exceptional goals created through good play. Nothing wrong with that at all. This is very unlike the aforementioned Arsenal "luck" but of course it all gets spun to make us look like some flukey team who shouldn't be up there whilst Arsenal get nothing but praise and adulation and their luck & miriad of genuinely dodgy VAR decisions in their favour is completely ignored. They are a good side don't get me wrong but even so.

I jest of course, but my point is the media in general all have an agenda of sorts.

BBC news is basically a load of propganda which fails to show so much real shocking news out there that it's pointless to watch it. It's a little bit like SSN where 90% of there coverage, images & soundbytes are all about the same 6 teams, except they do it about World news. Personally I don't listen to the BBC any longer as it's clearly just a Propaganda machine for the WEF side of things. You get much better coverage & a far less biased view on GB news for example.

So yet again here we are! Another disgracefully dodgy decision by the ref and even worse a corrupt VAR system which failed to intervene! ....Oh I forgot, It was against one of the darlings of the London Media Of course this fits in perfectly with the previous system I mentioned.,,, Namely:- Top 6 v top 6 evens out but with a clear & obvious bias towards Man U even in those games. The other 14 clubs v the other 14 clubs evens out but with a clear & obvious bias towards the big London clubs when against the non London clubs. Top 6 vs other 14 is about 95% in favour of the top 6 (& no those games do not balance out over a season!) Incidentally I watched the Newcastle v Wolves game after and A Wolves player absolutely pushed over a Newcastle player from behind, very clearly & 10 times worse than Baileys brush against the diving West Ham player... Ref waved play on & VAR did nothing. So which way around is it exactly? The corruption continues at FA towers! (As it does every week)

As has been mentioned, I do think the fact there are 30k Season ticket holders is a huge factor. This means you immediately have 3/4 of the same crowd every week, many of whom are there year in year out and have basically had that youthfull exuberance and "belief in miracles" destroyed in them over many years. The reasons are many, Doug Ellis's lack of ambition (over 40 years for goodness sake which is enough to comatose any living creature), Years of awful managers and poor, turgid football under the likes of Steve Bruce & Alex Mcleish, countless dodgy decisions by clearly biased officials whenever playing the "big" teams. the list goes on & on. So most of those 30k season ticket holders have become resigned to failure and just "existing" so to speak. All that is one heck of a passion killer. as is the repeated lack of a team who is anywhere close to challenging for titles. Lets face it we are always out of the FA cup too in the 3rd round, regardless of the standard of opposition (Hi Stevenage). So most games we play are either riddled with the fear of relegation or if we do escape that, 3 points is the ultimate reward. All this combined would flatten pretty much any crowd. It's easy to be Bayern Munich knowing you will win something every year. I'm sure the atmosphere would be electric at Villa Park if we had that kind of success, heck even a fraction of it! Here's the thing though.... I am one of those 30k ST holders. I saw us win the European cup & the League title & this is the first time since then that I have truly felt confident in our owners and our manager. I can finally see the makings of some glory incoming. For me the stars are aligning for the season after next. It'll be all about stadium rebuilding next season and Emery building his team over the next few windows. The biggest factor for us now is holding onto most of our best players, signing true winners & keeping hold of Emery. I have no doubt the atmosphere will grow along with the team especially with the extra 10k new fans. Exciting times ahead but for the moment it's just a bit flat as we see out the season and watch the current team develop. It has been pretty panicky especially at Villa Park which I think is what impacts the crowd, it's more an uncertain & nervy atmosphere currently as we adapt to Emery's style. but it's getting there.

So why the hand slap as soon as they started to carry Kamara off?

Why doesn't that surprise me If he was he was "having a laugh" (As you would expect after his antics recently )

Exxactly, just before it I had been commenting to the guy next to me how I couldn't believe how they were getting away with their repeated lunges in from behind & the side. They were clearly on instruction to get dirty. The timing of the hand slaps between them said it all too, if it had been straight after the tackle then fine, that is a kind of "good tackle" acknowledgement. The fact this was actually done only after several minutes, when he was being carried off and the sub was coming on, clearly says the objective was to remove him from the game surely? That is very different. They had already clobbered us about 6 or 7 times prior to that & continued to do so afterwards too (as evidenced by the red card). I don't see that as me "over-reacting" personally but each to their own.

Furious with the Palace players, Filthy! Hand slapping each other when the player you fouled is taken off with a nasty injury is really low. Scum team full of cheats so delighted we beat them.

I was disgusted to see the Palace players slapping hands with Doucoure when it was clear his filthy challenge had injured Kamara. They literally went over to him & gave him the "low fives" as soon as tthe sub came on & Kamara was being helped off. That clearly shows it was a deliberate injuring of an opponent. Little surprise he tried to do the same again shortly afterwards to Cash. That hand slapping though in a kind of " well done mate" gesture is disgraceful.

I'm up for helping in any way with something like this, Just not sure how to lol! My daughter too aged 16 ( Oh yeah hands off guys ), would be interested. Thing is what do you actually do? I am on Twitter & Insta but mainly for my business profile in all honesty.

I think after years of dodgy form we are all a bunch of nervous wrecks. This facilitates knee jerk reactions on a match day. This is exacerbated by the petrifying likelihood that at any moment in a game we are highly liable to gift the opposition a ridiculous, self inflicted goal. So for me, getting rid of that, would help a lot.

Yes because we had a goal disallowed for the exact same thing at..... Arsenal! Except on that day we only had one player "in the keepers eye line" (Which he was actually nowhere near). So which one is it? One of them is clearly a dodgy decision whatever way you look at it. Then add into that fact that this happens almost every time you play one of these teams. If you look at each individual one you can squirm around it and find a reason why they made a decision but what you cannot explain is why then do 95% of those go in favour of the same teams?! Just to add that at my work place last night everyone including Man U, Forest, Liverpool, Derby & Leicester fans, many of whom are season ticket holders at their various clubs, were all coming up to me, shaking their heads and laughing saying "Yes I saw it, it was shocking" & words to that effect. So it definately isn't just some posters on here by any stretch. In actual fact not one of them didn't think it should have been called offside. The general feeling was that it was the FA balancing out the goal Brentford scored against them last week.

That right there is the true power of the corruption! These teams can have a poor season but then they tend to get a load of dodgy decisions which keeps them there or there abouts. It defies the law of averages even, which should set the alarm bells off straight away.

It's not just us Tro, Its the same for the other 13 teams who are not part of the " we want a super league" group. I work with loads of Leicester & Forest fans and also a couple of Wolves & Derby fans. We also deal with drivers from all over the UK so there are fans of most of the clubs I speak to regularly. This is happening the same with them also, always against those same teams. So I am not trying to say "Villa are singled out" far from it. This is much bigger than that. It is a Premier league issue generally with all of the teams suffering like us at the hands of officials who are following two sets of rules. One for those "big 6" clubs & one for the other 13 of which we are one. It's a disgrace quite frankly & needs calling out, which is why I do call it out every time it's rears it's head. Leicester got a couple of duff calls at Old Trafford this weekend for instance when apparently a UTD player should have seen red. Sound familiar? It must be worth no end of points per season to those clubs, so it's no wonder they can have an absolutely awful year & still be there or there abouts. It does my head in having to repeatedly talk about it but then we simply have to make more noise about it so it's harder to get away with it for those involved. Keep saying things like "it all balances out over the season" etc is effectively facilitating it.

Well I personally have seen us win the biggest prizes so midtable for me is the minimum level this club should be averaging. I do feel we should on occasion be challenging once we have overcome the destruction of the later Lerner years up until NSWE. This of course will take time as we have a gap to bridge and as quick as you start to build, the Grealish's of this World will set you back. So it's like 3 steps forward 2 back all the time. This sifting of progress of course makes it a long slow climb back. Add to that the clear bias towards the usual clubs and massive helping hand they get (Which is largely why they will still be there or thereabouts even on a poor season) slows things up even further of course. So lets get back to midtable first and then maybe one day it will all get investigated, as it should be and the ceiling of corruption will be removed alowing clubs like ours a fair chance to rise up again. The Money is of course also an issue but the corruption, for me, is the bigger hurdle. Once the stadium is expanded & if we can maybe win a cup or two & get into Europe, which will boost our international profile thus bringing in more cashflow, we should be able to compete for the higher echelons much better. That corruption will always be a big issue mind you and that's why I see it as the bigger hurdle than the money. Financially we do of course already have wealthy owners, the stadium will be on a par with the big 6 soon too and we have a huge fanbase already. Of course we are behind the top 6 on that score currently simply due to a lack of trophies in recent years. Win some silverware and start competing in Europe though and this will grow rapidly, so that gap can be closed. At that point I don't see anything, other than the aforementioned corruption, that would stop us from at least competing with those clubs. Heck on a season like this one with Liverpool, Chelsea. Spurs & even to a point Man City faltering, we would get the chance to nick a top 4 spot. This is what Spurs did a few years ago and look at them now. This is however also the exact bit where the corruption kicks in, so this, under the current circumstances, would be very tough.

So I wonder if we'll get a personal visit from Howard Webb to apologise after we were robbed by the non-double offside call for their 3rd goal? You know the one which is actually much worse than the one they disallowed for John McGinn at the Emirates a yera or two back when just one of our players was stood in a similar offside position albeit much further from the play and obviously nowhere near their keepers eyeline. No didn't think so! In a court of law I think I know what the verdict would be........ (Hint - Corrpution) You could say it's sour grapes after losing although personally I am sick to death of it happening so obviously & blatantly almost every time we play one of these clubs. It is not possible for that amount of key decisions to consistently go in favour of these teams whenever they play against one of the "rest" of us, namely the 13 clubs who are not part of the "boys club". It needs investigating by an independent body a bit like Fifa was when the CIA was involved. They truly disgust me. Says it all when they have to promote a spin merchant (Dermot Gallagher) to try & cover it up every week. It also says it all when the one time they actually make an error against one of these clubs (The Brentford goal V Arsenal last week) that they send in Howard Webb to personally apologise and then magically, (as was clearly the brief) they ignore the blatant offside which was worse than the exact same one were disallowed against the same team! Apparently according to Gallagher "these are the most difficult ones to judge" and yet the one yesterday was far worse & more obvious with 2 players offending one of whom was ducking & swaying deliberately vs the McGinn one when it was obvious the single player involved was nowhere near the line of sight. Yeah good cover up attempt Gallagher. It's just mistakes though don't you know!