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So thankfully I can now update my post Beale / Pre Critchley prediction to 6th to 10th

Issue with this is post is him being a Bluenose what on Earth would he know about "pressing structures"? He would surely only understand depressing structures such as the Sty!

As it stands having lost Beale I would be happy to survive. We need to replace him in my view. Why does this always happen to Villa?!

For me this is exactly where the club has gone wrong. It's fine selling the odd "star" player but only if the overall quality of the team is invested in & improved as a result. Then & only then will we have any chance of estalishing ourselves as a top or "Massive" club again. We need to emulate what Spurs have done basically. Once you have consistent top 6 finishes then you can attract and hold on to your best players more often. The issue with Villa has been selling those players and not reinvesting or making poor purchases (Yeah thanks Ellis & Lerner & co) I trust these owners to finally see the light however.

It's all a bit concerning tbh. By all accounts Beale is exceptional as a coach, the Rangers fans I know swear he was the bigger loss rather than Gerrard himself but then I think there were a few sour grapes in there maybe too as it was just after they had left for Villa Park! Obviously we need a top notch replacement rather quickly as this may even affect the type of players we need to sign.

I personally think it is largely money, or well lets say "the money has to be right" but I do think other stuff comes into it too with some players. For example It wasn't long ago both we & Newcastle had similar offers on the table for a certain former Bournemouth striker & he chose them "Because his young son preferred them". So sometimes different personality types work on different levels. Kamara seems to be one who likes the project and the true football aspect or "story" if you will. Others no doubt don't give a monkeys and will just go to the highest bidder / biggest perceived club or simply follow (As in Steve Stones case which was mentioned) what their agent says without so much as a glance at anything else. You can see similar personality differences in every workplace. Some don't give a stuff and have the attitude of "i'll do as little as possible so long as I still get paid" whilst others take a pride in their work & surroundngs. Others are highly ambitious and others have their eye set on working at a certain company or reaching a certain goal. I guess football is not much different although has definately been infiltrated by money grabbers since the big money has arrived.

So I keep reading comments from French Players & Pundits which basically question the sense of Boubacar Kamara Signing for us and I thought it needed a discussion / explanation for the "uninformed doubters" out there! For me it shows that Kamara has properly looked at Aston Villa, It's history, & where we are going right now, rather than fall into the age-old trap of "simply picking the obvious clubs". This shows a delightful aspect of him as a person in my eyes. He has gone by the information he was given and then what "felt right", rather than listen to the same old biased musings of agents, Media and other players who only see 6 clubs in the Premier League ...and well done to him! Lets not forget that AVFC is indeed still one of the most successful clubs in the history of the English game. We also have some of the most ambitious owners in the League who have maybe not attracted the attention of many due to their "slow & steady progression" style. Of course the media always get attracted to the "want it now" brigade, the clubs who go and do a kind of "power grab" for example. We all know who those clubs are and frankly I just cannot repsect their "achievements" in the same way I would a club who had done it the traditional way through hard work & gradual improvement. Sadly Agents fill players heads with images of £££££'s and talk of getting them to "one of the best" clubs. Imagine them saying "Don't look at "x" club i'll get you a move to Man City or Chelsea " 20 years ago! They would have been ridiculed! Then several seasons & a few rich owners later the whole game has changed. They fail to understand that in football clubs go up & down & through era's! Just look at us in the Early 80's afterall! Sadly our heyday was rather cut short when a certain Mr Ellis arrived however. Well he's now long since left the building and finally we have owners who genuinely have real ambition. They know the true size, stature & potential of this great club and are a few years now into their project. As i said earlier, "slow & steady" is their style so here we are. The starting point was mid-table Championship (The low point of this club in the last 40+ years not the norm by the way). Now we are currently a Mid-table Premier League club but the slow progression is now about to accelerate in my view. We have now got a manager who's standards match those of NSWE and the next logical step is to build a squad to match. That is clearly underway ...and fast!. The stadium is about to be expanded too! Next summer by all accounts so very soon. The season tickets for that expansion? Technically they are already sold! The 20k+ waiting list is testament to that. So with all that, owners like this and the proven potential of AVFC historically, who on Earth are those ill-informed people to judge this club?! Maybe they need to re-educate themselves before coming out with statements which to me make them look rather like teenagers who have been watching too much Sky Sports News!! Over to you NSWE, Well Done Coutinho, Kamara & co for seeing through the BS!

Well it's the FA who pull their strings and pay their wages so that's never going to happen. How on Earth will they ensure the Scummy 6 stay in situ if they ruin their own scam which is exactly why those clubs stay there?!

I assume "Botman" is the Black country version?

I'll admit it.... Never even heard of him or have any idea what the fuss is all abot

It was hilarious how they were sat as though identifying a deceased friends body with the score still at 0-0! Then like the bunch of glory hunting babies they are the disgust and disownership of their team was clear for all to see and as for when we scored the 2nd lol! Then the pathetic gloating and p-taking as soon as they got the third summed up exactly why those kind of plastic fans support "whoever the top team of the moment is". For me it shows a chararcter weakness, the fact they pick those teams even though they live in somewhere like London or Birmingham just highlights that it's purely because they want to be part of the mick taking crew at school or something. They can't handle the idea of losing and being ridiculed, so they pick the team which wins most rather than the logical local club at which they can attend games far easier. Of course you then have the people who don't understand local loyalty because they don't actually originate form this country. I understand that better and welcome our overseas fans with open arms but if you were brought up here and your family history is UK based I simply can't understand why you would not support your local team? Unless that aforementioned character weakness is prevalent of course. I am surrounded by Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool & Chelsea fans at work..... in the east Midlands. They are always the ones who gloat and have that entitled attitude. There are also around 4 or 5 Villa fans, several Forest, Leicester & Derby fans and other random ones. Those guys are usually the more genuine fans who actually attend games. The Glory hunters never or very seldom do. Says all you need to know.

For me this last game summed up the season nicely. Lots of false hope littered with a whole swathe of atrocious passing to the opposition, soft goals and awful forward play. Watkins has been great at harrying and pressing but shocking at most everything else. McGinn has been very hit & miss with a myriad of poor misplaced passes and silly dives littering his game. Luiz has been careless in possession far too often. Mings has been good on occasion but is so error prone at other times. Konsa has been really poor in possession and has not been himself. Coutihno has shown some top class play but seems really unfit Buendia does one good thing followed by one bad thing. Ings has real quality but appeared to lose his shooting boots at the crucial part of the season/ Positives Ramsey looks a real prospect (Though i feel lost his way for several weeks) Chambers looks a steal and a fabulous squad player Cash has continued to improve Digne looks very good lately Martinez looks good still Oh! & the Premier League is still quite clearly taylored for the success of the scummy 6. Same **** Different day.

I think folks (Including me) are just annoyed that we have been sent off into the Summer now with a kind of final embarrassment which we now have to sit on for months. It was the pathetic collapse which hurt. City did exactly what we should have been doing when they got the 3rd goal and that was shamelessly waste time. I though we could have done a lot more in the dark arts area to get over the line in that game. We may still have conceded but 3 in 5 minutes was pathetic and an embarrassment in front of a global audience. It needs to stop! There should never have been 3 goals in that game for City.

Thought his "dive" for the second was pretty poor tbh. There was barely any sideways movement in it towards what was a pretty saveable shot from what I saw. As for the assaults, Well that's a disgrace and I hope they get punished severely.( which we all know they won't of course)

In a normal game yes i would agree, but to remove a threat like him (He'd just scored and they were very wary of him) with such a short time to go effectively said "Ok, we are sticking .....come & have a go if you want". They did and we paid the price. We were doing great and for me there was no real need to change it and risk upsetting the apple cart in this particular game. Thank goodness the season is over mind and we live to go again.

A sad day all round to see them stay up & us gift wrap the title to the money men. I simply can't believe they did another Wolves it's just so patheitc.

I thought the Nakamba sub is what changed the game today, likely brought about by tired legs after Thursday (Well done Premier League on creating that situation). We were woeful after he came on. For me with 15 mins left you may as well keep the threat of Coutihno on the pitch. Bad mistake to change it in my opinion from Gerrard.

You just don't even remotely expect him to score in situations like those today. Shocking display of everything a striker shouldn't do today (apart from his harrying of course)

Feeble season. Considering the players here compared to clubs that have finished above us (Which is the majority of them) that was not acceptable in my eyes. You just knew that as soon as the Plastic Mancs scored today we would implode. To be 2-0 up in a game like that only to implode with 15 minutes left is shocking. Especially when you know what to expect from the opposition. It was Wolves all over again.

Thought he was taught just how physically strong he needs to be last night. He was often outmuscled by the Burnley thugs and had little impact in all honesty... but good for his overall development.

This. They could not live with us when he came on. It looked like he was under instruction to speed the play up a bit as it had been way to slow up to that point. That speed up in play started to open them up time after time but poor finishing and a few decent saves stopped us getting the winner.

A lot of huffing and puffing from us holding the score down to 1-0 until about 60 mins when we totally run out of energy and hope having been battered & bruised playing a bunch of thugs on Thursday coupled with being run around by Citys extra energy & playing style meaning they then take total control and we lose 4-0 to end the season with a whimper.

Shockingly dirty performance from a bunch of desperate cloggers in Burnley. Their lad should have gone for the elbow on Mings in the first half never mind Lowton later on. Filthy team. Same ones who did Wesley of course. As for us we were as we have been all season long. Lots of huff & puff with little end product. Spent most of the game in the same mode as the Palace game just running round in circles with little to no penetration and weak finishing on the rare occasion we created a decent chance. Their keeper was busy making basic saves from what I saw. One or two were decent but all ones he would be expected to make. Great perfomance from Mings who got my vote for MOTM. 14th is diabolical for this squad in my eyes. Should have at least been top 10 but shocking displays against the likes of Watford x2, Wolves x2 Brentford x2, & weak away performances against Newcastle, Southampton etc have really undermined us and nothing at all from the Scummy 6 is just poor. It's all just so ....Meh! Serious work needed in the Summer.

Well my Rangers supporting mate reckons he is an unbelievable coach (Said If we got him it would be bigger than actually getting SG for what it's worth)

I agree, the songs are largely not unique to us and get sung at most grounds all over the country. I know a Wolves fan at work and he's always saying "Hi Ho Wolverhampton" & others are traditional Wolves songs. It's like the away fans all sing the same songs.. "You're support is ******* ****" or whatever..