PompeyVillan Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I'm sure there are many sensible answers to this. Of course Scotland used to be a very good national team and now they are not, but it can't be as simple as that can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 If you know the answer then you should send it on a postcard to: The Scottish Football Association, 6th floor Hampden Park GLASGOW G42 9AY The winner gets a job with a five figure salary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Scottish teams in the 80's used to be decent... as well as the Old Firm, Aberdeen won a European trophy and Dundee United got to a final. I think the decline has been two-fold. Too many substandard overseas players being bought into the league which stopped players developing and TV money. It exploded in England with Sky but didn't really follow suit in Scotland. They just got left behind. Up until the mid 90's you could argue that Rangers were as good as anything in Englland (indeed they beat the English champions, Leeds Utd in the Champions League) but now... Celtic would probably be no better than mid table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Scottish teams in the 80's used to be decent... as well as the Old Firm, Aberdeen won a European trophy and Dundee United got to a final. I think the decline has been two-fold. Too many substandard overseas players being bought into the league which stopped players developing and TV money. It exploded in England with Sky but didn't really follow suit in Scotland. They just got left behind. Up until the mid 90's you could argue that Rangers were as good as anything in Englland (indeed they beat the English champions, Leeds Utd in the Champions League) but now... Celtic would probably be no better than mid table. Celtic would be relegation contenders, arguably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Celtic would be in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AVFCforever1991 Posted July 20, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2013 They have produced one world class in the past couple of years... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Scottish teams in the 80's used to be decent.. And most of the players that made up these teams are now the good managers you speak of. I fully agree with the rest of that post though. I think Scotland have got left behind financially, they can't develop the training facilities now needed to create the modern footballer. And if one does manage it they are going unnoticed at the clubs the world forgot. Managers don't need quite so much advanced training, it's a mental thing and man management, which are skills they already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Why are Croatia and Uruguay doing so well of late then? They both have smaller populations than Scotland, and I don't think either country has a richer Football Association either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Xela has summed up the reasons why. But Celtic could hold their own in the English prem, their performances in the Champions League recently, in particular last season show that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Celtic (and Rangers) would be in the top six or eight of the Premier League within five years of joining it. If they got £60m a year just for being in the division then they wouldn't be using the players they currently use, and they would be able to secure massive sponsorship deals because of the large support they have. They would overtake the likes of us very quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Overtake? I think they already better. Anyway another reason Scotland no longer produces top player's is because are not playing football on the streets anymore as much as they used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 They play in a shitty league which they want out of and they would gladly swap their league position with us, so on those grounds I'd say they are behind us. In terms of support and potential, they are miles ahead of course, but a lot of that is down to a hundred years of dominance and exploiting religious and political bigotry. Had they started in the English leagues like Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham did then I doubt either Glasgow club would be as huge as they are today and that is the main reason why they should not be allowed to walk straight into the Premier League. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Why are Croatia and Uruguay doing so well of late then? They both have smaller populations than Scotland, and I don't think either country has a richer Football Association either. And Bosnia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Why are Croatia and Uruguay doing so well of late then? They both have smaller populations than Scotland, and I don't think either country has a richer Football Association either. And Bosnia. Why do the Czechs constantly have very strong national teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 The Czechs don't. Since independance they have only qualified for 1 world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Is Scotland really that good at producing managers? And yes I am aware that Paul Lambert is Scottish but there are plenty of bad Scottish managers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 21, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2013 I'm with Mantis. Are the Scottish managers really that good? Take Ferguson away from the list then is it really that impressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 It depends what time scale you are using. If we are talking about right now, as in at this exact moment, then maybe there are not that many but if we say the last 15 years, I can list you loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 There have been a disproportionate amount of successful Scottish managers over the past ten to fifteen years, I don't think anybody can debate that point. I think there are four in the division at the moment, Lambert, Malky Mackay at Cardiff, Steve Clark at the Baggies and David Moyes at Manchester United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 In the 2011/2012 season there were 7 managers born in Glasgow in the Premiership. Fergie, Moyes, Daglish, Coyle, McLeish, Kean and Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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