Pinebro Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, villa89 said: He over achieved in his first season and I don't think anyone expected them to qualify out of that group or even do as well as they did. People seem very keen to put them down but common sense will tell you they are at least doing as well as expected this season. Nobody was predicting they would finish in the top four again this season. If I was alien face stavley I would be satisfied with how the project is going. CL money coming in to help offset more spending in January and next summer and so far their spending has looked very good. Tonali and Gordon proving to be great buys. Didn't expect them to qualify nor finish in the top 4 again. However, them getting ravaged on injuries and heavily fatigued already is directly on Howe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Didn't expect them to qualify nor finish in the top 4 again. However, them getting ravaged on injuries and heavily fatigued already is directly on Howe. How is that? If they had a lot of hamstrimg or muscle injuries then would have an argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) Doesn't really need to be hamstring. They've got lots of thigh, knee, ankle injuries. All areas that are going to struggle with being overworked in a footballing sense. Edited December 14, 2023 by kurtsimonw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 they don't have a top 4 squad, they subbed a 17 year old off for longstaff last night, lacselles was captain howe overachieved getting them there, if they sack him its absolute madness, I've not really seen that much on it though outside of here? seems like a huge overreaction here linked to wishful thinking 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, villa4europe said: they don't have a top 4 squad, they subbed a 17 year old off for longstaff last night, lacselles was captain howe overachieved getting them there, if they sack him its absolute madness, I've not really seen that much on it though outside of here? seems like a huge overreaction here linked to wishful thinking It's a cliche, but definitely 'victim of his own success' vibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Doesn't really need to be hamstring. They've got lots of thigh, knee, ankle injuries. All areas that are going to struggle with being overworked in a footballing sense. Maybe but depends on the injury still. If players are getting contact injuries in games then its not on Howe for me We had a few injuries this season and nobody put it on Unai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: Maybe but depends on the injury still. If players are getting contact injuries in games then its not on Howe for me We had a few injuries this season and nobody put it on Unai The lack of depth in the squad is on Howe though. They signed 4 players in the Summer, one of whom went back out on loan. It's not enough to prepare for a campaign where you have to cope with the CL That's both caused some of the injuries/fatigue and hampered their ability to cope with it Edited December 14, 2023 by Stevo985 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 They have more money than God and Dan Burn is their first choice left back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Zatman said: 2 times he left Chelsea they either got to a Champions League final or won the league the next season. Real Madrid won the Champions League. Spurs had a cup final the week they sacked him. United are a mess in general and he is most successful manager they had since Fergie I should have been clearer i meant in terms of teams in england After he left chelsea 2nd time the fans cant stand him and said he left them in a mess. After he left utd have a look and see what the fans were saying how he left them with a shit squad and he under perfomed. Ok ole and ten have done no better but doesnt necessarily mean he done a really good job there. Spurs he flopped miserably and that was his most recebt job in england Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 39 minutes ago, Zatman said: Maybe but depends on the injury still. If players are getting contact injuries in games then its not on Howe for me We had a few injuries this season and nobody put it on Unai We have had injuries but lets be fair not to the level they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 58 minutes ago, Zatman said: Maybe but depends on the injury still. If players are getting contact injuries in games then its not on Howe for me We had a few injuries this season and nobody put it on Unai Injuries is one thing but they look exhausted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Bielsa mark II. And we all know that Ange is going to be Mark III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, DakotaVilla said: Bielsa mark II. And we all know that Ange is going to be Mark III. Poch is actually Bielsa Mk 2 or was it Sampaoli Edited December 14, 2023 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oishiiniku_uk Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 9 hours ago, villa89 said: He over achieved in his first season and I don't think anyone expected them to qualify out of that group or even do as well as they did. People seem very keen to put them down but common sense will tell you they are at least doing as well as expected this season. Nobody was predicting they would finish in the top four again this season. If I was alien face stavley I would be satisfied with how the project is going. CL money coming in to help offset more spending in January and next summer and so far their spending has looked very good. Tonali and Gordon proving to be great buys. How do we know Tonali was a great buy? He got one goal and zero assists in 13 appearances and was being used increasingly as a sub. He also looked to be too similar a player to Bruno G to fit into their system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Stevo985 said: The lack of depth in the squad is on Howe though. They signed 4 players in the Summer, one of whom went back out on loan. It's not enough to prepare for a campaign where you have to cope with the CL That's both caused some of the injuries/fatigue and hampered their ability to cope with it Livramento, Tonali, Barnes and Hall all still there, no? That’s pretty decent squad cover to be honest. They’ve got more depth than us bar maybe central midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Stevo985 said: The lack of depth in the squad is on Howe though. They signed 4 players in the Summer, one of whom went back out on loan. It's not enough to prepare for a campaign where you have to cope with the CL That's both caused some of the injuries/fatigue and hampered their ability to cope with it It's not on howe it's on ashworth as that's their model They're taking it slow in squad building which is what makes believe they won't be knee jerk with howe now They could and maybe should have bought a ruck of £10-15m squad players like we did when we first came up and they didn't, they bought a couple of £40m+ first teamers instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: Livramento, Tonali, Barnes and Hall all still there, no? That’s pretty decent squad cover to be honest. They’ve got more depth than us bar maybe central midfield. I disagree, they've got more than us at striker, that's it, maybe sub keeper if you really don't like olsen You're still looking at lascelles as 3rd choice CB, targett as back up LB, their squad has the likes of Ritchie, krath, dummett, manquillo, it's got plenty of Ghosts from the Ashley era still Barnes is out for the season too I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I disagree, they've got more than us at striker, that's it, maybe sub keeper if you really don't like olsen You're still looking at lascelles as 3rd choice CB, targett as back up LB, their squad has the likes of Ritchie, krath, dummett, manquillo, it's got plenty of Ghosts from the Ashley era still Barnes is out for the season too I think Same depth at keeper, more depth at wing back (or whatever you want to call it?), similar depth at CB (even if our players are better… although slight edit here as I hadn’t counted Mings at all), weaker depth in centre mid than us, more depth out wide, more depth up front. You can argue the quality of player for sure, but the depth is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Jason Tindall is ready for the step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Ramsey, McGinn, Bailey on this season's form, and Diaby, with Buedia to come back, is better depth than Newcastle out wide, I wouldn't swap any of those players for one of Newcastle's wide players. Also not sure how good their depth at fullback is considering they play Livramento and Dan Burns out of position at leftback, even when Targett is fit I'm not even sure they have better striker depth, I wouldn't be swapping Duran for Wilson for example, Wilson will get goals but he's like another Ingsy, Duran way better for the team with his all round game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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