Jimzk5 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 To many foreigners os rubbish. The cream always rises to the top, england have got no cream atm due to poor youth and coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 28, 2013 If anything, the foreigners improve the standard of the English players.Unless it ever got to the stage where there were so many foreigners that there were literally no England players playing top flight football, then there's only going to be a benefit from the best English players playing football every week with the best players in the world in one of the best leagues in the world.If the league were entirely english, the standard would be awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 agree 100% with above. if your good enough you will play irrelevant if you are from Liverpool or Liechtenstein. Managers dont pick players because of nationality for their club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMushroom Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 If anything, the foreigners improve the standard of the English players. Unless it ever got to the stage where there were so many foreigners that there were literally no England players playing top flight football, then there's only going to be a benefit from the best English players playing football every week with the best players in the world in one of the best leagues in the world. If the league were entirely english, the standard would be awful. I think the standard has been pretty awful for decades. OK, weve had bad luck on a couple of occasions, but if we really were that good, why would we need that luck? Weve been over rated since 1970, the last time we did have a decent team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 28, 2013 "Why England Lose?..." basically comes to the conclusion early on that we don't "lose".We actually perform consistently better than would be expected of a country like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 "Why England Lose?..." basically comes to the conclusion early on that we don't "lose". We actually perform consistently better than would be expected of a country like us. Tell that to the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 To many foreigners os rubbish. The cream always rises to the top, england have got no cream atm due to poor youth and coaching. Absolute rubbish. I will ask the question again which everyone has conveniently ignored. Did the England team of the 1990 World Cup receive expert coaching at grass root level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 was nearly 25 years ago, a different era of football 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 fifa are set to investigate after claims of racist chanting towards rio and anton ferdinand... id be amazed to be honest if it was true, but never the less still half expect us to get found guilty, maybe even have FIFA decide to finally crack down on it and make an example of us and finally take it more seriously than paddy power pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 why would you be amazed though? Only last year Chelsea fans did same chants about them last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 That's utter bullshit though. It's an easy argument for the FA (and therefore Trevor Brooking) to make in order to gloss over their failures as an organisation. The Premier League has a comparable number of foreign players as both Serie A and La Liga do. Italy and Spain have won the last four major tournaments that England have appeared in. The FA are the people who decided to spend a billion pounds on a new stadium rather than invest it in the grass roots of the game. The much cited newspaper article shows the real cause of the problem. England produces as many professionals as Spain or Italy or Germany or France, but because of a total failure to teach them them game properly when they are kids the number of "world class" players we produce is embarrassing compared to countries with similar populations and resources. Just look at the strength in depth Spain has, did they just get lucky with so many naturally talented players being born at the same time or is it more to do with the fact that they invested in coaching to the point where almost every team at every level of the game has a fully qualified coach? The big hope here is St Georges Park. There was a bit of a fanfare when it opened last year but we have probably got to wait at least a decade until it starts producing results, and that's assuming we don't **** things up in the meantime. Until then we are in limbo. I tend to think that great national teams are born out of several world class players arriving at the same time rather than anything to do with coaching. If you can coach a player to become world class then every national team would have them so for me the argument doesn't stack up that England's lack of success is due to poor coaching. As i stated previously was Endland's 1990 World Cup team good because they received excellent coaching at grass root level. No they were a good team because a batch of World Class players arrived at the same time. Yes, but that was a quarter of a century ago. Things change. It's like the people who think just because Villa won the league with 14 players in 1981 there is no reason that it cannot be done today. Back then everybody was using 14-18 players a season, these days the most successful teams have 25 internationals in their squad. You need to keep up in order to remain competitive and the sides who went out and invested heavily in coaching in the 90s and 00s are reaping the rewards now. If we sit around waiting for another group like Robson, Lineker, Gascoigne Hoddle & Waddle to turn up at the same time then we might be waiting quite some time. You have to get everybody to a high level and the special players will look after themselves. We can't keep going into competitions with one good player in every position because we fall down every time there is an injury, a suspension or a loss of form. We need strength in depth and the best way to get that is to follow the example of the countries who have it. They aren't keeping any secrets from us are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 To many foreigners os rubbish. The cream always rises to the top, england have got no cream atm due to poor youth and coaching. Absolute rubbish. I will ask the question again which everyone has conveniently ignored. Did the England team of the 1990 World Cup receive expert coaching at grass root level? Did any team in the world at that time recieve expert coaching at grassroots level? No. Times have changed, simple fact is Europe, Spain in particular have got academys up and down the country that work on passing and technique from a young age. We have only just woken up to this fact. 10 years ago our academy set up etc was ok, now its a decade behind Spain and Germany, **** even Belgium have benteke, lukaku, hazard, de bruyne, defour, witsel, all very good with the ball, were still playing a 33 yr old gerrard who spends the game launching 40yard cross field passes doing **** all else inbetween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 why would you be amazed though? Only last year Chelsea fans did same chants about them last season. you know what you are or build a bonfire which one of them is racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 fifa are set to investigate after claims of racist chanting towards rio and anton ferdinand... id be amazed to be honest if it was true, but never the less still half expect us to get found guilty, maybe even have FIFA decide to finally crack down on it and make an example of us and finally take it more seriously than paddy power pants Journalists reported a bonfire for Rio and Anton being sung about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 maybe isnt racist, but am sure any non-footballing related offensive chants towards individuals should be clamped down on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 german bombers has never been investigated so i dont see what the fuss is here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 maybe isnt racist, but am sure any non-footballing related offensive chants towards individuals should be clamped down on such as ferdinand what a rocket polisher? never going to happen, impossible to draw a line, ban chants branding the ref a rocket polisher? more offensive chants about rival teams so ban them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 28, 2013 To many foreigners os rubbish. The cream always rises to the top, england have got no cream atm due to poor youth and coaching. Absolute rubbish. I will ask the question again which everyone has conveniently ignored. Did the England team of the 1990 World Cup receive expert coaching at grass root level? By this logic, coaching doesn't matter. So why bother coaching kids at all? Just let them run around like maniacs and the good ones will happen to be world class players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 was nearly 25 years ago, a different era of football Being a different era of football has no effect whatsoever on the quality of footballers coming forward. If that was the case then are you saying Maradonna for instance was inferior in ability to Messi because his career was in a different era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 29, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 29, 2013 was nearly 25 years ago, a different era of football Being a different era of football has no effect whatsoever on the quality of footballers coming forward. If that was the case then are you saying Maradonna for instance was inferior in ability to Messi because his career was in a different era? The Rev has already answered your point ver succinctly Yes, but that was a quarter of a century ago. Things change. It's like the people who think just because Villa won the league with 14 players in 1981 there is no reason that it cannot be done today. Back then everybody was using 14-18 players a season, these days the most successful teams have 25 internationals in their squad. You need to keep up in order to remain competitive and the sides who went out and invested heavily in coaching in the 90s and 00s are reaping the rewards now. If we sit around waiting for another group like Robson, Lineker, Gascoigne Hoddle & Waddle to turn up at the same time then we might be waiting quite some time. You have to get everybody to a high level and the special players will look after themselves. We can't keep going into competitions with one good player in every position because we fall down every time there is an injury, a suspension or a loss of form. We need strength in depth and the best way to get that is to follow the example of the countries who have it. They aren't keeping any secrets from us are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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