AvfcTheObsession Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yes, best is subjective. Bale/Suarez/Buffon wouldn't make my World XI and are therefore not World Class, as there are players out there a class above them. So if Pele, Maradona and George Best all played in the same era, only two of them could have been considered world class, simply because they couldn't all fit into the same team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 11, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2013 Hazard is definitely not better than Bale. If, taking ability as the only factor (ie not including price, resale value, attitude etc), I could have one of those two in my team, I'd pick Hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yes, best is subjective. Bale/Suarez/Buffon wouldn't make my World XI and are therefore not World Class, as there are players out there a class above them. So if Pele, Maradona and George Best all played in the same era, only two of them could have been considered world class, simply because they couldn't all fit into the same team? I agree. Mid 90s you had Romario, Baggio, Stoitchkov, a young Ronaldo and Klinsmann. I think it is universally agreed they were all world class back then. But according to Careweyebrowdesigner, 3 of them would not be. There is no actual definition of world class, so technically you are not wrong, but surely you can see the flaws in your own definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yes, best is subjective. Bale/Suarez/Buffon wouldn't make my World XI and are therefore not World Class, as there are players out there a class above them. So if Pele, Maradona and George Best all played in the same era, only two of them could have been considered world class, simply because they couldn't all fit into the same team? I'm sure you could squeeze them into a 4-2-3-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 The term world class is subjective and meaningless until we find other planets who play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 11, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2013 "world class" means no more or no less than any other adjective, like "amazing" or "excellent". It's just a superlative. It's definition is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 The best superlative is "unplayable" . It's above world class and slightly ahead of "out of this world ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) "world class" means no more or no less than any other adjective, like "amazing" or "excellent". It's just a superlative. It's definition is subjective. The problem is the over-use of 'World Class' to describe a player. If people call Bale 'World Class', what does that make Ronaldo/Messi/Iniesta? 'Solar System Class'? Edited February 11, 2013 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yes, best is subjective. Bale/Suarez/Buffon wouldn't make my World XI and are therefore not World Class, as there are players out there a class above them. So if Pele, Maradona and George Best all played in the same era, only two of them could have been considered world class, simply because they couldn't all fit into the same team? I'm sure you could squeeze them into a 4-2-3-1 Would you not squeeze Bale into a world XI currently? I may be biased as I watch a lot more of the PL than any other league, but my attack would be: LW: Bale RW: Messi CF: Ronaldo I genuinely think it's only a matter of time before he goes to Barca or Madrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 11, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2013 Messi isn't a winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 but they are British publications and a hint of biased, I think Rooney was no.11 in the 442 and Hart was 2nd best keeper which neither are. Id be interested to see what foreign press think of Bale and where they rate him I'm pretty sure his stock is still very high from the two performances against Internazionale in the Champions League. Inter were defending champions and at the time people were still calling Maicon the best right back in the world. Bale absolutely tore him to pieces in both games and I dont think Maicon's reputation ever recovered. Spurs desperately need to qualify for the Champions League this season to have a chance of keeping hold of Bale and even if they manage it I think they will still struggle to resist the offers that will be coming in for him. I can see him ending up at one of of the Manchester clubs or at Real Madrid. I think he would thrive in a team who are as much about pace and power as Real Madrid are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I can see them wanting more if one of the Manchester clubs bid for him, purely because its the same league.. I'm guessing Levy won't sell cheap either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Who would he replace in the Madrid team? Or the Barcelona team? I think he is best going to a team that will play to his strengths rather than have him contribute to a team playing to get the best out of Messi/Ronaldo. I could see him go to Citeh if they make a huge offer and a certain Portugese man is at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I don't see him as a Barcelona player, does he really fit into that system? At Madrid he would probably have to drop in behind the central striker, he wouldn't be out on the left because that is where Ronaldo tends to play but since when has an issue like where he is going to play in the team bothered Real Madrid? Based on the evidence of the last 20+ years they clearly don't give a ****. He would be awesome at Manchester United too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 http://youtu.be/fYcWr18q5Vg Now watch it again, keep your eye on the goalkeeper wearing the red shirt in the top right of the picture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) I can't see Barca paying the kind of money Spurs are looking for, which if he keeps this current form till the end of the season is going to be a substantial fee. Like I have said before, Levy won't sell cheap. Edited February 11, 2013 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey55 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I would rather have Mata in our team than Bale, wouldn't say he was debatable at all. Forgetting who is better and speaking purely in terms of who is more suited to your team, I think you'd be mad not to prefer Bale. For all Mata's quality, you are a struggling side at the moment, who aren't dominating the ball and not seeing a great deal of it in the final third. I thin to suggest Mata would be better for you is over complicating things. You'd be far, far better off with a player who can do this out of nothing on a regular basis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0vRcqw3XTo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFNswz9olsg As great as Mata is, surely given your current predicament, wouldn't it be much better to have someone who can score the sort of goal Bale did on Saturday against Newcastle? He's lethal on the break and given your current issue's I think it would be far more useful to have a player who can charge from the half way line and finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'd rather have Bale tbh. Can win games on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 The famous anfield atmosphere tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'm actually hoping the plop win, after the shit I've put up with the past couple of seasons from the boggie idiots that I know, I'm enjoying watching their season wind down and hopefully them going back to shitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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