Mantis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Can we not have a Redknapp thread in Other Football so people can worship him in there as opposed to in the Paul Lambert thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Good point. It is turning into a bit of a Redknapp wank fest. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted November 19, 2012 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2012 Do you know how much money is available? Lambert has already admitted that he hasn't even spent all of his summer transfer budget yet. If we don't spend then how do we achieve success. I mean i'm all for promoting from within if our younger player are good enough but they're not. So how do we become successful again if we can't spend? No I don't. But I've seen the accounts, and they're dire. And we can glean from the cutbacks we've seen over the past few seasons that Lerner's gamble of throwing money at MON and banking on us getting Champions League (and therefore higher revenue to counter the spending) has failed, and he's realised that and is steadying the ship. I'm not saying we can't spend. What I'm saying is we have to spend LESS and more sensibly. You might not agree with lambert's signings, and maybe you're right and most of them are flops (that's another debate), but the shift in spending tactics is undeniable. We're spending a (relatively) modest transfer budget and keeping the wages low, for now. We're also investing in younger players and foreign players with the intent that we can sell them for more in the future as their value goes up. As depressing as that last point is, I've no doubt it's a factor after MON's purchasing of players on large wages (some of them very good) a lot of whom have little or no resale value. I don't think Lerner has given the order of "buy a player we can make a profit on". But I think buying players who, if they fail here, won't sit around on 5 year contracts at 60 grand a week happy to pick up a pay cheque IS on the agenda. Players who will be out the door eager to play or wanted by other clubs if they don't (or even if they do) succeed here, not players like Beye who appeared to be happy to not play and pick up their outrageously large pay cheques, or Heskey who had no resale value once his contribution here was over. We could not continue to spend what martin o'Neill was spending, on wages if nothing else. Blame MON, blame Lerner, it doesn't matter. The fact is if we keep spending those wages the club will be a downward spiral financially. The cutbacks that have happened were necessary, unless Lerner is to keep us afloat by ploughing in his own money to pay the debt we're racking up. Harry Redknapp is one of the last managers you'd want in that scenario IN MY OPINION. As I said, his success is based on a shotgun approach to transfers. he spends lots of money on lots of players. Some are great, others are shite. When he's got a large budget and kept on a tight leash, like Levy did, it can be very successful. But we have neither the budget, or the tight leash (if people like Risso are to be believed regarding Lerner) to accommodate a manager like Redknapp. I think he'd probably have a positive effect in the short term, but long term we'd be worse off than we are now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Stop making brilliant posts. Another superb summed up comment. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 No I don't. But I've seen the accounts, and they're dire. And we can glean from the cutbacks we've seen over the past few seasons that Lerner's gamble of throwing money at MON and banking on us getting Champions League (and therefore higher revenue to counter the spending) has failed, and he's realised that and is steadying the ship. I'm not saying we can't spend. What I'm saying is we have to spend LESS and more sensibly. You might not agree with lambert's signings, and maybe you're right and most of them are flops (that's another debate), but the shift in spending tactics is undeniable. We're spending a (relatively) modest transfer budget and keeping the wages low, for now. We're also investing in younger players and foreign players with the intent that we can sell them for more in the future as their value goes up. As depressing as that last point is, I've no doubt it's a factor after MON's purchasing of players on large wages (some of them very good) a lot of whom have little or no resale value. I don't think Lerner has given the order of "buy a player we can make a profit on". But I think buying players who, if they fail here, won't sit around on 5 year contracts at 60 grand a week happy to pick up a pay cheque. They'll be out the door eager to play or wanted by other clubs if they don't (or even if they do) succeed here. We could not continue to spend what martin o'Neill was spending, on wages if nothing else. Blame MON, blame Lerner, it doesn't matter. The fact is if we keep spending those wages the club will be a downward spiral financially. The cutbacks that have happened were necessary, unless Lerner is to keep us afloat by ploughing in his own money to pay the debt we're racking up. Harry Redknapp is one of the last managers you'd want in that scenario IN MY OPINION. As I said, his success is based on a shotgun approach to transfers. he spends lots of money on lots of players. Some are great, others are shite. When he's got a large budget and kept on a tight leash, like Levy did, it can be very successful. But we have neither the budget, or the tight leash (if people like Risso are to be believed regarding Lerner) to do accommodate a manager like Redknapp. Cracking post even though i don't agree with some of it. I don't expect Redknapp to be allowed to spend in the way MON did and i don't think he would expect it either as the financial situation around the world has changed. What i would expect from him however is to be able to attract the better player to our club. Generally speaking, Redknapp buys players who have a bit about them, technically i mean. Good footballers and if given a budget of say 20m, plus player sales i think he would turn us around and move us up the table fairly quickly while still being able to keep the wage issue in check. Would he come under those constraints? Yep i think he would if QPR keep Hughes and he is given enough money to manovre in the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So Morph what do you think your hero could offer this club that would benefit in the long term? . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Our first league title in 30 years, along with solving hunger and bringing about world peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm not a huge redknapp fan but taking spurs into the champions league and then into the knockout phase is hardly something to laugh at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 That was Spurs.. what would offer this club that would benefit in the long term? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 A lot of Spurs' success is down to Daniel Levy IMO - he's basically the greatest negotiator in football and through him they've got great deals in/out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He is a superb owner but other managers didn't get top 4 under Daniel Levy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 When you take it to its simplest conclusion, we're not successful because we don't get enough people watching the games or buying merchandise. Spurs can charge massive fees for season and match tickets where we struggle to fill the ground at any time. When the season tickets started creeping up, even when we were doing well under O'Neill, everyone was moaning. Success breeds support, but support breeds success. We just don't make enough money I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 When you take it to its simplest conclusion, we're not successful because we don't get enough people watching the games or buying merchandise. Spurs can charge massive fees for season and match tickets where we struggle to fill the ground at any time. When the season tickets started creeping up, even when we were doing well under O'Neill, everyone was moaning. Success breeds support, but support breeds success. We just don't make enough money I'm afraid. That's the crux of it. Some still blame Randy for that but it's nobody's fault really. We just don't have the support and location that other clubs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 We make enough money to not have to worry about relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toela65 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Cappello or Van Gaal. Or we poach Jol. None of those are realistic and most, if not all of them, are already in positions they wouldn't leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 We make enough money to not have to worry about relegation. Villa and football will blow up in a ball of flames if we are relegated, honest. I'm sure all these managers we are talking about will turn it round in a couples if games. Jesus wept people get a grip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Excellent response. I'm not asking for a new manager by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 We make enough money to not have to worry about relegation. no we dont. we make less than most of the other clubs in the league in terms of revenue. If we go down I would actually fear going the way of sha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So you're saying we should be a team that expects relegation battles? Lerner really is great at running sports clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 no we dont. we make less than most of the other clubs in the league in terms of revenue. If we go down I would actually fear going the way of sha Simply not true. In 2010/11 we had a turnover of 92 million the 7th highest in the Premier League behind Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Man City but ahead of similar sized clubs in Everton , Newcastle, Sunderland and way ahead of the likes of Stoke, Wigan, West Brom etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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