privateer Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 OK, BOF, you've almost convinced me with that because I couldn't disagree with any of it. Damn you and your well reasoned facts gnawing at and eroding my irrational hatreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 23, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2013 'Almost' is good enough As I said, if you don't like him then you don't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 ...even Schumacher Even Schumacher?! Even Schumacher!? Don't you **** get me started again BOF has just chilled my ass out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 23, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2013 Meanwhile, the FIA are intent on removing all of the spontaneous fun from the sport. FIA to urge against F1 'taxi' lifts after Webber/Alonso in Singapore The FIA is set to advise Formula 1 drivers not to offer 'taxi rides' to their rivals from now on, AUTOSPORT has learned. Following the safety issues that came to light when Fernando Alonso gave Mark Webber a lift back to the pits after the Singapore Grand Prix, sources have indicated that the governing body is now reviewing the matter. Alonso and Webber were both reprimanded for separate breaches of the rules, but these did not relate to the actual drive back to the pits. Alonso was punished for breaking article 30.13 of the sporting regulations, which relates to cars being "driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person". Webber's reprimand was for breaching article 30.9 ( , which only allows drivers to be on the track if they have first received permission from a marshal. AUTOSPORT has learned that Webber did not have permission to run on to the track, and he was specifically instructed by the marshals not to do so. The spotlight on the incident means that the matter will be discussed at the next F1 drivers' briefing in Korea in a fortnight. Although there are no plans to introduce a regulation that bans such 'taxi rides', which are not strictly outlawed, AUTOSPORT understands that the FIA is keen to impose a safety clampdown. Drivers are set to be recommended not to risk future punishments for offering such lifts. The FIA is to remind drivers that under no circumstances are they allowed to run on to the track without marshals' permission, nor should they stop to pick someone up in the manner that Alonso did. The imposition of those instructions will effectively end the practice of such passenger rides, as drivers will not be allowed on track while cars are around to pick them up. Collecting other drivers will also be discouraged on pure safety grounds. The FIA is worried that even travelling at slow speed on the way to the pits, it is possible for something to go wrong and a driver sitting on the side of a car could fall off. Yeah I hear what you're saying FIA but I can't help feeling that ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Fair enough. I don't like the guy. And i dont dispute the fact that that probably affects my ability to discuss his history with great objectivity. But i still maintain that webbergate was very shitty and is ethical cheating. And i was providing reasons and admitting they were firstly my own as to why so many bored. I also think it should stop too btw. Has **** all to do with the german thing either. He has just always had something about him that has rubbed me the wrong way. And he does have an attitude its just he wins so often you barely notice it. But ill stop now. The most annoying thing is the lack of competition. Watching Rush led to youtube my way through races from the 70s which only seemed to accentuate how utterly dull sunday was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 23, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2013 youtube my way through races from the 70s which only seemed to accentuate how utterly dull sunday was.No argument here Sadly I think we're a long way from ever seeing the excitement of the 70s/80s for a multitude of reasons. I just hope next season's turbo engines are a step in the right direction. The biggest change needs to be in aero design rules though. Without the ability to follow closely behind someone and pass them legitimately, the days of proper dicing are gone. Flappy paddle gearboxes also make driver error a thing of the past in terms of gear change. That was another thing that spiced it up. If a driver missed a gear change in one of today's engines/gearboxes with the way they're tuned, the thing would just explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Look at vettels pole lap from Saturday, the guy is in a class of one. Its boring for us fans, and im not that fond of him as a person (after Webber gate) but its up to the rest to catch up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark8691 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) I find the continual booing of Vettel to be pretty pathetic to be honest. Funny how everyone just seems to hate him. Not my favourite either, and always hope to see others win. I just hated the way he demeaned his teammate (webber of course) on the circuit ("get him out of here, he's too slow"). But i see an awful lot of denial from people when it comes to Vettel. I think he's proven he's one of the best and will be remembered as such by history. And people saying hes just a lucky boy in an unbeatable car are letting their hatred of the guy cloud their judgement. As for the booing. The sport is starting to remind me of football in that way. Who do most football fans hate, the ones at the top get the most vitrol (apart from local derbies). And when the matches are underway, the oppositions top players are the ones targeted by the fans for the boos/chants. I do think fans are getting as frustrated with the domination of the top team/driver in F1 just as we are in football with the few clubs dominating. I think it's all frustration. If i was Vettel, i would try and take it as a compliment. Because if he weren't a winner, there'd be no boos at all. Edited September 24, 2013 by Mark8691 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I don't like Vettel, I think if all cars were the same he'd be racing for 7th/8th. But its not his fault racing is boring, the amount of money Red Bull can throw at things does that. I wish cars were closer so we could have proper racing again, set smaller budgets so Any team has a chance if they get a good driver. F1 = Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 24, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 I think if all cars were the same he'd be racing for 7th/8th.Interesting. Make a top ten in equal equipment from the current grid. You show me yours then I'll show you mine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I shall do this, but as somebody who has the memory of a goldfish, I might need a nudge (holiday from Friday, so will make a note to do it then!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Can't agree with this. He is clearly a super driver. Yes, he is in the best car but Webber is no slouch and he can't get anywhere near him. Until this season I wasn't sure if he was the real deal but now I think he is. The way he gets to the front then controls the race is a mark of true class. I don't like Vettel, I think if all cars were the same he'd be racing for 7th/8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 24, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 I shall do this, but as somebody who has the memory of a goldfish, I might need a nudge (holiday from Friday, so will make a note to do it then!)Mine is done. I'll post after you so as not to influence you Note this isn't one of those 'over a single lap' lists. It's over the course of a championship season in equal machinery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 on natural ability id have him behind Alonso and Kimi and maybe close between him and Hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Vettel is quite clearly in the most competitive car on the grid but his drive on sunday was absolutely top draw. You would hope that next season it will all be a bit closer but then you remember that Adrian Newey is at Red Bull...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) In a hypthetical top ten 1. Hamilton 2. Alonso ( by a graphene molecule , on another day I'd change my mind here with him and Lewis) 3. Vettel 4. Kimi. ===== 5. Button 6. Rosberg (again could put him 5th but not just yet, will wait until mclaren don't have a monumentally shit car by their standards ) 7. Webber 8. Massa ( a bit harsh, pre accident and sporadically now he could be bumped up to 5th maybe even 4th ===== 9. At this point its hard to really grade but arbitratily for the top 10 Il go with Hulkenberg and Di Resta though I am keen to see how Bottas does in a better car. Ricciardo has done well but like a few others not seen enough to elevate him higher yet. Bloody hard to work out some of these with the hypothesis of the same car mind. And i think my bias towards the bigger teams is evident but until you see the likes of hulkenberg in a bigger car its hard to say. Di Resta i flit between liking him a lot and then thinking hes made too many mistakes. Edited September 24, 2013 by Rodders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 24, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 on natural ability id have him behind Alonso and Kimi and maybe close between him and HamiltonThat's fair comment. I slightly disagree but only barely. All I will say (and you already know this so I only say it in passing...) is that there's more to a championship season than just natural ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 24, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 Rodders posted. So... In reverse order cuz I'm a showman like that :-P 10. Sergio Pérez (Remember what he did in the Sauber? This McLaren is a dog. This kid's got skills and I hope we see them again soon). 9. Nico Hülkenberg (In 2 years he might be higher in this list. But as of now I think this is a fair reflection. Brilliantly quick in ordinary machinery and because of that his situation might be about to change). 8. Mark Webber (There's no shame being beaten by Vettel. Mark would still hold his own over most of the grid). 7. Romain Grosjean (Natural ability by the bucketload but suffers from spacial awareness issues. No denying his blistering speed though. Would be absolutely top notch if he didn't suffer from tunnel vision). 6. Jenson Button (Deceptively fast and consistent. Knows how to get a lot of championship points. Can almost come across as the 'slow and steady' one at times. He's anything but. Currently matching Grosjean's WDC total this season in what is a crapbucket). 5. Nico Rosberg (He put manners on Schumacher and is not being blown away by Hamilton. Excellent one-lap specialist who needs more belief in his own ability IMV. I genuinely believe his lack of belief is holding him back from being in the top echelon. Speaking of which...).The top echelon 4. Lewis Hamilton (Every bit as fast as anyone else on his day and probably a better overtaker than everyone higher than him in the list, but it is that aggression that makes him inconsistent. He makes too many mistakes over the course of a season to be ahead of the other 3 but that's why we love watching him race. He can be too exuberant for his own good). 3. Kimi Räikkönen (Possibly the most naturally gifted pure racer on the grid. I feel he lacks the desire to be a true team player by building a team the way Schumacher or Alonso can and that puts him 3rd, but that's his only failing IMV). 2. Sebastian Vettel (May very well be as good as the man in first place but Adrian Newey simply won't give him a bad car to prove it. Every bit as consistent as the aforementioned and doing it at the same level. There's very little to separate 1st and 2nd in this list. If anything at all. They are the class of the field at the moment and it's hard to pick a winner. But if you're asking who I'd have driving my car, I'd go with ...). 1. Fernando Alonso (The complete driver. Faultless. An astonishing racing driver. He gets more from his car than anyone else on the grid, by a mile. He has that Ferrari where it doesn't deserve to be this season. His qualifying positions tell you the real story of that Ferrari but his incredible race-craft puts him back in contention. Unbelievably consistent and deserves more WDC titles than he has. One of the all-time greats). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 think a lot of people dont give credit to Vettel is his determination and mentality. Lot of people win 1 title and then thats it their achievement is done but Vettel has shown a drive and desire to not relinquish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Well he's also had the car. Its not like hes had to fight through poor car performance. His drive in that sense has not been tested. Its easy to carry on when theres no challenge racking up wins etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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