TRO Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) As a team.....we can't defend to save our lives. ps mainly because we can't read what is going on. Edited February 10, 2014 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Any news on when he's back for goodness sake? Can't stand the thought of another dismal embarrassing night in south Wales tomorrow night if he's still out. I always wondered what it would be like to be married to a schizophrenic, i never thought it would be the flipping football club i supported 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Look at the table I posted a couple of pages back. Vlaar indirectly affects almost every aspect of our game. I know that, but Con stated the central defense was the issue on the goals. Was it not then? A long ball which Baker should have read and headed away, if that doesn't happen insure your mark your man, he did neither, he let Nolan get the ball before and lay it off to Downing. Then on top of that when Downing beat Bertrand what exactly are Clark and Baker doing. The second one, why is a CB even letting Delph who has his back to the play and doesn't know whats behind him, a CB shouldn't be clearing and booting Delph into the stands. The defence is a shambles with Clark and Baker at the back, just watch the first half, no consistent line. These guys are not kids anymore, they are approaching 23/24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Was it not then? A long ball which Baker should have read and headed away, if that doesn't happen insure your mark your man, he did neither, he let Nolan get the ball before and lay it off to Downing. Then on top of that when Downing beat Bertrand what exactly are Clark and Baker doing. The second one, why is a CB even letting Delph who has his back to the play and doesn't know whats behind him, a CB shouldn't be clearing and booting Delph into the stands. The defence is a shambles with Clark and Baker at the back, just watch the first half, no consistent line. These guys are not kids anymore, they are approaching 23/24. Trying to play a very high defensive line with the likes of Clark, Baker and Lowton was really amusing. Tactical mastermind. And people laughed at AVB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Was it not then? A long ball which Baker should have read and headed away, if that doesn't happen insure your mark your man, he did neither, he let Nolan get the ball before and lay it off to Downing. Then on top of that when Downing beat Bertrand what exactly are Clark and Baker doing. The second one, why is a CB even letting Delph who has his back to the play and doesn't know whats behind him, a CB shouldn't be clearing and booting Delph into the stands. The defence is a shambles with Clark and Baker at the back, just watch the first half, no consistent line. These guys are not kids anymore, they are approaching 23/24. Trying to play a very high defensive line with the likes of Clark, Baker and Lowton was really amusing. Tactical mastermind. And people laughed at AVB. Playing a high line is fine if they know how to play it unfortunately they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Was it not then? A long ball which Baker should have read and headed away, if that doesn't happen insure your mark your man, he did neither, he let Nolan get the ball before and lay it off to Downing. Then on top of that when Downing beat Bertrand what exactly are Clark and Baker doing. The second one, why is a CB even letting Delph who has his back to the play and doesn't know whats behind him, a CB shouldn't be clearing and booting Delph into the stands. The defence is a shambles with Clark and Baker at the back, just watch the first half, no consistent line. These guys are not kids anymore, they are approaching 23/24. Trying to play a very high defensive line with the likes of Clark, Baker and Lowton was really amusing. Tactical mastermind. And people laughed at AVB. Playing a high line is fine if they know how to play it unfortunately they don't. True. They can't play it and they don't have the personnel to do it. Guess Lambert was really afraid of Cole winning it in the air and putting it on Nolan's head to score from close range. Next up in the tactically genious moves we could probably expect to see a high line of 5 at the back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Was it not then? A long ball which Baker should have read and headed away, if that doesn't happen insure your mark your man, he did neither, he let Nolan get the ball before and lay it off to Downing. Then on top of that when Downing beat Bertrand what exactly are Clark and Baker doing. The second one, why is a CB even letting Delph who has his back to the play and doesn't know whats behind him, a CB shouldn't be clearing and booting Delph into the stands. The defence is a shambles with Clark and Baker at the back, just watch the first half, no consistent line. These guys are not kids anymore, they are approaching 23/24. Trying to play a very high defensive line with the likes of Clark, Baker and Lowton was really amusing. Tactical mastermind. And people laughed at AVB. Playing a high line is fine if they know how to play it unfortunately they don't. True. They can't play it and they don't have the personnel to do it. Guess Lambert was really afraid of Cole winning it in the air and putting it on Nolan's head to score from close range. Next up in the tactically genious moves we could probably expect to see a high line of 5 at the back... The high line is fine when Vlaar plays as it was against Liverpool, but with those two numpties its not even a deep line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Baker doesn't have the mental capacity to play a high line. He is a see ball, tackle ball player. Watch the WH game again and you'll see Baker is all over the place. Trying to spring offsides (which is good in theory against a slow front line) but unable to do so. Getting bullied and out positioned by the likes of Cole. When's the last time you even saw Baker make an interception. Clark would be okay paired with anyone mildly competent. But pair him with Baker it's two goals waiting to happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 If you play a high line you have to have a fair ole idea of how to read a game, be a decent header of the ball....and you need a bit of pace if you get it wrong. you can count on one hand how many players in our squad can read the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Baker doesn't have the mental capacity to play a high line. He is a see ball, tackle ball player. Watch the WH game again and you'll see Baker is all over the place. Trying to spring offsides (which is good in theory against a slow front line) but unable to do so. Getting bullied and out positioned by the likes of Cole. When's the last time you even saw Baker make an interception. Clark would be okay paired with anyone mildly competent. But pair him with Baker it's two goals waiting to happen It comes down to the fact we have stupid players, even a mildly intelligent opponent can tear them apart. Our stupid players are: Lowton, Baker, Westwood, Luna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I would probably take out Westwood in terms of intelligence. He's one of our only players that can play a first time pass forwards. He just sucks at being a defensive mid. A lot like Joe Allen. Useful in some games but hardly aan every day starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I would probably take out Westwood in terms of intelligence. He's one of our only players that can play a first time pass forwards. He just sucks at being a defensive mid. A lot like Joe Allen. Useful in some games but hardly aan every day starter You are correct, but when it comes to tracking runs or being in the right position, he is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 If you play a high line you have to have a fair ole idea of how to read a game, be a decent header of the ball....and you need a bit of pace if you get it wrong. you can count on one hand how many players in our squad can read the game. Yep a big game of defence is to be able to read the game anticipate, the jokers we have seem to be last ditch. If Campbell plays tomorrow he will have a field day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 We haven't lost to anyone outside the top 8 with Ron a Vlaar in the team...that's how vital he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Lambert said he was touch and go for Sat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) After the game he came to sign autographs just where the West Ham bus was and I said to him we need you back soon Vlaar. We really do miss Vlaar when he's not in the team. Edited February 10, 2014 by Voinjama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 After the game he came to sign autographs just where the West Ham bus was and I said to him we need you back soon Vlaar. We really do miss Vlaar when he's not in the team. He wasn't limping was he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Our average points per game with Ron is 1.37, without its 0.16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Our average points per game with Ron is 1.37, without its 0.16. Edited February 10, 2014 by Bunnski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Clearly the best defender at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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