wedge Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 We've just passed the 49th anniversary of this tragedy on 21st November and still no justice for the families of those poor innocent folk who lost their lives enjoying an evening out. Boils my blood to be honest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 My dad was part of the first fire engine crew on the scene. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, wedge said: We've just passed the 49th anniversary of this tragedy on 21st November and still no justice for the families of those poor innocent folk who lost their lives enjoying an evening out. Boils my blood to be honest. Justice for the 21 The fella that started the above is a good mate of mine. some fascinating tales that will never be heard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Justice for the 21 The fella that started the above is a good mate of mine. some fascinating tales that will never be heard I've tried to help the J421 campaign as much as possible financially. Got a t-shirt, pin badge and flag which I took to the Mostar home game this season. I can't help but feel it's not publicised enough (as Julie Hambleton - what a brave inspiring woman by the way - has said many times the authorities want it all just brushed under the carpet as it will suit them down to the ground) and it's scandalous and infuriating that those responsible have never faced justice and suitable punishment for the innocent lives they have taken. I nearly never was because of the atrocities that night, my Dad and Uncle were meant to meet some of their mates in the Tavern in the Town that night but fortunately they all decided go meet in a different pub. One of those horrific Sliding Doors tales that so many from that night have to tell, gives me the horror chills the thought of people like my Grandmother not knowing whether their loved ones were coming home or not after hearing the news of the bombs and knowing people who were out in town. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 hours ago, wedge said: I nearly never was because of the atrocities that night, my Dad and Uncle were meant to meet some of their mates in the Tavern in the Town that night but fortunately they all decided go meet in a different pub. One of those horrific Sliding Doors tales that so many from that night have to tell, gives me the horror chills the thought of people like my Grandmother not knowing whether their loved ones were coming home or not after hearing the news of the bombs and knowing people who were out in town. My Mom said that she always used to sit on the left as you go down the stairs, on the day of the bombings someone was sitting in their usual spot so they sat on the right of the pub, I'm hear today because some poor **** sat in my Moms spot, it doesn't get much closer than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Justice for the 21 The fella that started the above is a good mate of mine. some fascinating tales that will never be heard You know Smithy the blue nose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Government don’t give a flying **** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said: Government don’t give a flying **** They never did about any of the IRA bombings, until Brighton. When they realised they were a target they started to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 28, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: You know Smithy the blue nose? Mark, the fella who plays the pipes on the Orange day parades Edited November 28, 2023 by Follyfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giro Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 My dads mate Paul Davies was killed in the bombings. Walking down new street and got caught in the blast. As mentioned still cant believe nobody got caught for this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Should send this to some of the brain farted Irish people who are using the public knife attacks to ban certain people from their country. My mum and dad rarely went to Bham after the bombings because of these attacks, they said there was high suspicion of anyone who was known as Irish. Can't imagine the damage these attacks did on the good Irish people who lived around Bham at the time either, especially the communities around Digbeth etc. Shameful this hasn't been investigated further, can you imagine it being swept under the rug if it happened in London, Manchester or Liverpool? Absolutely not. Are Brummies too passive? Or is it another reason? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 28, 2023 Author Share Posted November 28, 2023 10 hours ago, leemond2008 said: My Mom said that she always used to sit on the left as you go down the stairs, on the day of the bombings someone was sitting in their usual spot so they sat on the right of the pub, I'm hear today because some poor **** sat in my Moms spot, it doesn't get much closer than that. Wow mate, that is absolutely chilling to hear. So, so glad for that circumstance though for you and your Mom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 28, 2023 Author Share Posted November 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Shameful this hasn't been investigated further, can you imagine it being swept under the rug if it happened in London, Manchester or Liverpool? Absolutely not. Are Brummies too passive? Or is it another reason? I agree wholeheartedly with your comment about London, Manchester or Liverpool, can't help but feel the same which is sickening. I don't think it's because us Brummies are passive generally, I'm proud to be a Brummie and see us in the main as passionate, loyal and down-to-earth folk. I think the two points here go hand-in-hand, I'm just about to turn 30 and there are many people my age who I speak to who aren't even aware that it ever occurred which completely baffles me but I don't blame them for it, more down to the authorities' efforts to sweep it under the rug and try and forget it ever happened and therefore the lack of publicity for the brave and determined people of the official Justice 4 the 21 campaign some of whom I know and the last word that could be used to describe them is 'passive'! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, wedge said: I agree wholeheartedly with your comment about London, Manchester or Liverpool, can't help but feel the same which is sickening. I don't think it's because us Brummies are passive generally, I'm proud to be a Brummie and see us in the main as passionate, loyal and down-to-earth folk. I think the two points here go hand-in-hand, I'm just about to turn 30 and there are many people my age who I speak to who aren't even aware that it ever occurred which completely baffles me but I don't blame them for it, more down to the authorities' efforts to sweep it under the rug and try and forget it ever happened and therefore the lack of publicity for the brave and determined people of the official Justice 4 the 21 campaign some of whom I know and the last word that could be used to describe them is 'passive'! I guess my personal feelings towards it are we see and know annually about the Manchester concert bombings (Bee's since then have very famously become the symbol of Manchester when before that tragic event, I had NO idea the Bee was a symbol for Manchester). Liverpool have the Hillsborough disaster annual event and yes, it's taken 30 years for any justice to be found, but you KNEW it was there and the families of the 96 were in the news etc. London you have the Lee Rigby (I think? I won't Google because if I'm wrong that's kind of my point of famous events!) Birmingham lost 21 people and injured another 100 or so? It's local news. Very strange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) On 21/11/2011 at 22:11, slowandlow said: and a lot of villa fans still drink in pubs that openly collected for the IRA every other saturday We used to play in two clubs in Brum where they did that; The Garry Owen (I think it was called ) and The Pink Elephant (or Garden Of Eden) in Hurst Street. Very much dominated by the Irish; but this was well bfore The Pub Bombings. Any one go to the Arsenal match , where we 'won' the League? We were in a pub with loads of fellow Villa fans ans they started singing , "Bobby Sands is hungry" . Time for a swift exit. Edited November 28, 2023 by veloman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedge Posted November 28, 2023 Author Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, lapal_fan said: I guess my personal feelings towards it are we see and know annually about the Manchester concert bombings (Bee's since then have very famously become the symbol of Manchester when before that tragic event, I had NO idea the Bee was a symbol for Manchester). Liverpool have the Hillsborough disaster annual event and yes, it's taken 30 years for any justice to be found, but you KNEW it was there and the families of the 96 were in the news etc. London you have the Lee Rigby (I think? I won't Google because if I'm wrong that's kind of my point of famous events!) Birmingham lost 21 people and injured another 100 or so? It's local news. Very strange. Couldn't have put it any better myself mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 29, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 29, 2023 On 28/11/2023 at 09:51, lapal_fan said: Or is it another reason? I'd guess part of the reason is that they convicted and imprisoned some people for it for 16 years - investigating it during that time wouldn't have reflected too well on the authorities that already had it written up as 'solved'. After their release, I think there was an opportunity, even though it was a trail that by then was 16 years cold - but at that point and in the time afterward, there doesn't seem to have been the political appetite to do it, and i think once the Good Friday Agreement was in place, there was a sort of tacit agreement that neither side would rake over too many of the coals of conflict. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 My Old Dear was sat in that pub before it went pear shaped, she felt and heard the blast later on her pub crawl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkanon Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 My dad was in one of the pubs. 18 at the time. Luckily in the opposite end to the blast. He got a beating off my Grandad when he got home. Charming eh. He is not a lucky person, or very lucky... He was also one of the firefighters at the kings cross fire. He still wakes up in sweats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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