Eames Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Where did Wiggy's post go? :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'll answer happily. I think the abuse AM has recieved is pathetic. I think that the attitude of some fans on here is pathetic. The real reason people have a problem with AM is that he used to manage the Blues. His style of football is workmanlike but do you know what.... I'm not sure how else we are supposed to play having sold Downing and Young over the summer. I think AM needs to be given time to put HIS mark on the team and that will take 2 years, especially with the spending restrictions he is subject to. I think that posters who resort to "what a clearing in the woods" "Ginger word removed" and other arguements devoid of reasoning or sense need to have a word with themselves. I appreciate I am in the minority but do you know what, I like the guy... and I really hope he succeeds. thanks good reply. I would ask a question though, why do you think people like me don't like him mainly because he managed the blues. I admit I hate the blues, but his being a blues manager previously has absolutely no bearing on how I feel about him now. In stark contrast I would love him to be successful just so I can turn around to my blue nose mates and gloat that we pinched a great thing from them who will be a legend at our club. So if anything him being at blues and we pinching him I want him to succeed to rub it in my mates faces. Failure they can just say they sold us a lemon. Surely that makes more sense than me wanting him to fail. His record is my issue, how his teams play, he is unimagative, he makes constant errors, he can't react when other manages do, he's not fixing problems that are happening over and over again, international players don't seem to know what to do, tactics seem one dimensional at best and can't change, his excuses are pitiful and we generally 9 times out of 10 look the poorer team in games......that's my reasoning and that's why I want him gone now. I want to build on a team with a manager over the next 5 to 10 years as we go through this phase we are in with money restrictions. We, as fans, need to believe in a manager that can do that but with McLeish we can't and the fans seem to be agreeing with me....low crowds, booing at games, forums in meltdown and media commenting.....it's so detrimental to the club that it has to change now or more likely the summer so this club can consolidate and build for the future. McLeish is not the answer and will never be because too many people don't think he's good enough and he isn't, I'm not backing a manager just because I hear the term we need to get behind him....getting behind the wrong person is just foolish. If there is a problem you fix it and move on, we have a problem and it needs fixing before we can move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa Did he? Or did he just want away from Small Heath seeing they were relegated and the owner faces bankrupcy and prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa He gained a huge amount of respect from me for just having the balls to take the job in the first place. He's done nothing wrong for me, and as you and Eames say, regardless of if people wish to admit it or not, the main reason for their dislike is the Blues connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 whoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Where did Wiggy's post go? :shock: As Richard Keys would say - "There are dark forces at work here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caw2510 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'll answer happily. I think the abuse AM has recieved is pathetic. I think that the attitude of some fans on here is pathetic. The real reason people have a problem with AM is that he used to manage the Blues. His style of football is workmanlike but do you know what.... I'm not sure how else we are supposed to play having sold Downing and Young over the summer. I think AM needs to be given time to put HIS mark on the team and that will take 2 years, especially with the spending restrictions he is subject to. I think that posters who resort to "what a clearing in the woods" "Ginger word removed" and other arguements devoid of reasoning or sense need to have a word with themselves. I appreciate I am in the minority but do you know what, I like the guy... and I really hope he succeeds. thanks good reply. I would ask a question though, why do you think people like me don't like him mainly because he managed the blues. I admit I hate the blues, but his being a blues manager previously has absolutely no bearing on how I feel about him now. In stark contrast I would love him to be successful just so I can turn around to my blue nose mates and gloat that we pinched a great thing from them who will be a legend at our club. So if anything him being at blues and we pinching him I want him to succeed to rub it in my mates faces. Failure they can just say they sold us a lemon. Surely that makes more sense than me wanting him to fail. His record is my issue, how his teams play, he is unimagative, he makes constant errors, he can't react when other manages do, he's not fixing problems that are happening over and over again, international players don't seem to know what to do, tactics seem one dimensional at best and can't change, his excuses are pitiful and we generally 9 times out of 10 look the poorer team in games......that's my reasoning and that's why I want him gone now. I want to build on a team with a manager over the next 5 to 10 years as we go through this phase we are in with money restrictions. We, as fans, need to believe in a manager that can do that but with McLeish we can't and the fans seem to be agreeing with me....low crowds, booing at games, forums in meltdown and media commenting.....it's so detrimental to the club that it has to change now or more likely the summer so this club can consolidate and build for the future. McLeish is not the answer and will never be because too many people don't think he's good enough and he isn't, I'm not backing a manager just because I hear the term we need to get behind him....getting behind the wrong person is just foolish. If there is a problem you fix it and move on, we have a problem and it needs fixing before we can move on. he looks one dimensional because of the squad he inherited, there is no options for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 regardless of if people wish to admit it or not, the main reason for their dislike is the Blues connection. Bollocks! - it his his style (or lack of it) and his record is poor in both results and transfers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 regardless of if people wish to admit it or not, the main reason for their dislike is the Blues connection. It really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa and? What has that got to do with it, just because you want something doesn't mean you are god enough for it. I wanted to be the next Villa manager, does that mean when Alex is fired I will get the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 regardless of if people wish to admit it or not, the main reason for their dislike is the Blues connection. I doubt anyone cares about the Blues connection to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djamfisher Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'll answer happily. I think the abuse AM has recieved is pathetic. I think that the attitude of some fans on here is pathetic. The real reason people have a problem with AM is that he used to manage the Blues. His style of football is workmanlike but do you know what.... I'm not sure how else we are supposed to play having sold Downing and Young over the summer. I think AM needs to be given time to put HIS mark on the team and that will take 2 years, especially with the spending restrictions he is subject to. I think that posters who resort to "what a clearing in the woods" "Ginger word removed" and other arguements devoid of reasoning or sense need to have a word with themselves. I appreciate I am in the minority but do you know what, I like the guy... and I really hope he succeeds. Eames, are you referring to all the fans that don't rate or want McLeish as manager or just those that have slagged him off. Because, I really didn't want him at the start of the season and still don't want him now. You say his style of football is workmanlike and question how else is he suppose to play. Yet I'd say that his style is 1 dimensional and he is tactically inept, and he has proved that over a number of years. I don’t see how this could be seen as being pathetic. Secondly, no Villa fan I know has really used the ex-blues thing to criticise him, it's more to do with his shocking premier league record and the fact he got Rangers 3rd in a 2 horse race. He states he isn’t a quitter yet he quit the Blues, and has set the Villa up on a number of occasions in such a way where we’ve given up hope of even trying to get a goal before a ball has been kicked. This is a mentality of a quitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caw2510 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa and? What has that got to do with it, just because you want something doesn't mean you are god enough for it. I wanted to be the next Villa manager, does that mean when Alex is fired I will get the job appreciate the fact that he wanted to come to us, by the sounds of it nobody else did, even martinez turned us down and that was a blessing in disguise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 regardless of if people wish to admit it or not, the main reason for their dislike is the Blues connection. Bollocks! - it his his style (or lack of it) and his record is poor in both results and transfers Its not bollocks Denis! I didnt say it was the only reason, just the main reason. Please, enlighten me on what is so poor with his style of play? And before you answer, the whole long-ball hoof thing...that is bollocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 mcleish as a man is a likeable character. he's straight to the point, and doesnt seem to have any real airs about him as a manager, he's the last one many of us would have wanted. yes he got blues to 9th and won a cup, but he also got them relegated a couple of times. however, it's worth remembering how shit everyone on here continually maintains that they were and are, so surely he didnt do any worse than expected. in fact he did exactly what was expected of him at worst, and massively overperformed at their best is he the right man for villa? no, he's not. but if he can do what he was undoubtedly brought here to do, which is trim the wage bill and keep us up, then it'll be mission accomplished id like to have seen him be backed properly to be honest. its one thing spending money for blues, but its another thing entirely having money to spend for a club that is actually known outside of england - even if that knowledge is on the wane. there's a better calibre of player up for grabs at an aston villa with money than there is at a birmingham city with money look at arry... he didnt do any great shakes for the majority of his career. he brought in more duds than quality in terms of signings. he relegated a few clubs a couple of times, and he played some god awful football on occasion. im not saying mcleish is harry redknapp mk 2, but what i am saying is that he's our manager and we all need to want to see him succeed. if you dont want him to succeed, you dont want the club to succeed. "he was shit at other clubs" doesnt cut it. he's not at other clubs now, he's at aston villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa and? What has that got to do with it, just because you want something doesn't mean you are god enough for it. I wanted to be the next Villa manager, does that mean when Alex is fired I will get the job appreciate the fact that he wanted to come to us, by the sounds of it nobody else did, even martinez turned us down and that was a blessing in disguise you really believe nobody else wanted to come to us just because Martinez turned us down.......we are still a mid-tabled club that's fairly big, there are only probably 7 or 8 clubs that might have a bigger draw than us so if you are hanging on nobody wanted to come to us then that's clutching at straws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I wanted to be the next Villa manager, does that mean when Alex is fired I will get the job Well, Nick, what are your credentials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 thanks good reply. I would ask a question though, why do you think people like me don't like him mainly because he managed the blues. I admit I hate the blues, but his being a blues manager previously has absolutely no bearing on how I feel about him now. In stark contrast I would love him to be successful just so I can turn around to my blue nose mates and gloat that we pinched a great thing from them who will be a legend at our club. So if anything him being at blues and we pinching him I want him to succeed to rub it in my mates faces. Failure they can just say they sold us a lemon. Surely that makes more sense than me wanting him to fail. His record is my issue, how his teams play, he is unimagative, he makes constant errors, he can't react when other manages do, he's not fixing problems that are happening over and over again, international players don't seem to know what to do, tactics seem one dimensional at best and can't change, his excuses are pitiful and we generally 9 times out of 10 look the poorer team in games......that's my reasoning and that's why I want him gone now. I want to build on a team with a manager over the next 5 to 10 years as we go through this phase we are in with money restrictions. We, as fans, need to believe in a manager that can do that but with McLeish we can't and the fans seem to be agreeing with me....low crowds, booing at games, forums in meltdown and media commenting.....it's so detrimental to the club that it has to change now or more likely the summer so this club can consolidate and build for the future. McLeish is not the answer and will never be because too many people don't think he's good enough and he isn't, I'm not backing a manager just because I hear the term we need to get behind him....getting behind the wrong person is just foolish. If there is a problem you fix it and move on, we have a problem and it needs fixing before we can move on. 1. AMs past...... when you have 200 Villa fans breaking into Villa Park live on SSN chanting "We Don't Want McLeish" it shows there is a problem. When on camera the guy interviewed says "It a'int about the blouse" when he has "SOTC" written on both sleeves and across his chest you become suspicious about peoples motives. There are too many fans motivated by a hatred of a nothing club that play in a cow shed rather than a desire to support their own team. Which I find pathetic. After all, if we refused to take on ex-blousers we wouldn't have won the European Cup. 2. Style of football..... like I said... workmanlike. Makes the best of what he's got and what he can get hold of. The one thing MON is outstanding at is getting average players to play like world class ones. AM does not have that ability. We are at our true level. Dunne makes mistakes, and for what ever reason he doesn't seem to fancy Cuellar. Thats fine. I trust him. He's got the coaching badges not me. We sold our two best players over the summer and have not replaced them so we were never ever going to move forward. 3. His record.... YES he steered the blues down... twice. They have always yo-yo'd up and down the divisions. You can't polish a turd. They are shite. They will always be shite whoevers in charge. Hughton getting them back up is not an achievement when they are one of the richest clubs in the Championship with a stack or parachute payments. BUT he took that shower of shite to a Carling Cup Final and won it. MON didn't manage to do that. 4. The fans.... the fans not believing AM will go anywhere IS problem. Not AM himself. He hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip and as I said in my OP he needs time to put his mark on the squad, and given that Randy clearly isn't handing out the levels of cash MON enjoyed that will take time. The players at home look shit scared because every mistake they make the crowd turns on them and AM. (See point 1) If walked into my office and told my staff that everyone thinks they are shit and pounce on every mistake with a barrage of abuse, my team wouldn't perform. Its the same thing here at Villa Park. Having paid £10m in compensation to MON and GH plus back room staff, AM is here for the duration of his contract whether the fans like it or not. My suggestion? Get over it. Support your team. Stop the booing and the moaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djamfisher Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa and? What has that got to do with it, just because you want something doesn't mean you are god enough for it. I wanted to be the next Villa manager, does that mean when Alex is fired I will get the job appreciate the fact that he wanted to come to us, by the sounds of it nobody else did, even martinez turned us down and that was a blessing in disguise Did they even try people like C Hughton, I know his a nose now so people will scuff at this, but I honestly believe he'll do a good job at Blues. He did a good job at Newcastle, and believe he's more tactically aware than McLeish and would've done well at Villa. i would rather the club take a gamble on aslightly unproven manager rather than a manager with a track record of relegation from the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 thanks good reply. I would ask a question though, why do you think people like me don't like him mainly because he managed the blues. I admit I hate the blues, but his being a blues manager previously has absolutely no bearing on how I feel about him now. In stark contrast I would love him to be successful just so I can turn around to my blue nose mates and gloat that we pinched a great thing from them who will be a legend at our club. So if anything him being at blues and we pinching him I want him to succeed to rub it in my mates faces. Failure they can just say they sold us a lemon. Surely that makes more sense than me wanting him to fail. His record is my issue, how his teams play, he is unimagative, he makes constant errors, he can't react when other manages do, he's not fixing problems that are happening over and over again, international players don't seem to know what to do, tactics seem one dimensional at best and can't change, his excuses are pitiful and we generally 9 times out of 10 look the poorer team in games......that's my reasoning and that's why I want him gone now. I want to build on a team with a manager over the next 5 to 10 years as we go through this phase we are in with money restrictions. We, as fans, need to believe in a manager that can do that but with McLeish we can't and the fans seem to be agreeing with me....low crowds, booing at games, forums in meltdown and media commenting.....it's so detrimental to the club that it has to change now or more likely the summer so this club can consolidate and build for the future. McLeish is not the answer and will never be because too many people don't think he's good enough and he isn't, I'm not backing a manager just because I hear the term we need to get behind him....getting behind the wrong person is just foolish. If there is a problem you fix it and move on, we have a problem and it needs fixing before we can move on. 1. AMs past...... when you have 200 Villa fans breaking into Villa Park live on SSN chanting "We Don't Want McLeish" it shows there is a problem. When on camera the guy interviewed says "It a'int about the blouse" when he has "SOTC" written on both sleeves and across his chest you become suspicious about peoples motives. There are too many fans motivated by a hatred of a nothing club that play in a cow shed rather than a desire to support their own team. Which I find pathetic. After all, if we refused to take on ex-blousers we wouldn't have won the European Cup. 2. Style of football..... like I said... workmanlike. Makes the best of what he's got and what he can get hold of. The one thing MON is outstanding at is getting average players to play like world class ones. AM does not have that ability. We are at our true level. Dunne makes mistakes, and for what ever reason he doesn't seem to fancy Cuellar. Thats fine. I trust him. He's got the coaching badges not me. We sold our two best players over the summer and have not replaced them so we were never ever going to move forward. 3. His record.... YES he steered the blues down... twice. They have always yo-yo'd up and down the divisions. You can't polish a turd. They are shite. They will always be shite whoevers in charge. Hughton getting them back up is not an achievement when they are one of the richest clubs in the Championship with a stack or parachute payments. BUT he took that shower of shite to a Carling Cup Final and won it. MON didn't manage to do that. 4. The fans.... the fans not believing AM will go anywhere IS problem. Not AM himself. He hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip and as I said in my OP he needs time to put his mark on the squad, and given that Randy clearly isn't handing out the levels of cash MON enjoyed that will take time. The players at home look shit scared because every mistake they make the crowd turns on them and AM. (See point 1) If walked into my office and told my staff that everyone thinks they are shit and pounce on every mistake with a barrage of abuse, my team wouldn't perform. Its the same thing here at Villa Park. Having paid £10m in compensation to MON and GH plus back room staff, AM is here for the duration of his contract whether the fans like it or not. My suggestion? Get over it. Support your team. Stop the booing and the moaning. Cracking post. Spot on mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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