dont_do_it_doug. Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) Hows about this for a controversial bit of advice - If you're looking to put on muscle mass avoid cardio like the plague. Well I say that but 5 minutes at the end is a necessary evil, plus it will help get the blood pumping to aid repair. Bulk up then strip down, it can't be done the other way around. Absolutely. If your goal is purely to add muscle then you don't NEED any cardio. I don't think 20 minutes of cardio at the end hurts. Helps to keep off the excess fat from the extra food that you will (SHOULD) be eating. But I certainly wouldn't be going overboard with it. I reckon the amount of cardio you can do at the end is mostly dependent on the workout you've just had. Or how you feel afterwards. Listen to your body. Edited April 22, 2013 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I'm doing the 5x5 stronglift routine. Anyone else tried it out? Work out 3 times a week. Monay, Wednesday and Friday. Resting Saturday and Sunday. Swapping between setup A and B. So A,B,A the first week and B,A,B the second week, and so on. Add 2.5KG(5kg on deadlift) to each exercise each week untill it says stop Works like a charm for me. A : Squat 5x5 Benchpress: 5x5 Barbell Rows: 5x5 B: Squat 5x5 Barbell Shoulderpress 5x5 Deadlift: 1x5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 22, 2013 Moderator Share Posted April 22, 2013 You're on exactly the same programme as me Skruff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Hows about this for a controversial bit of advice - If you're looking to put on muscle mass avoid cardio like the plague. Well I say that but 5 minutes at the end is a necessary evil, plus it will help get the blood pumping to aid repair. Bulk up then strip down, it can't be done the other way around. Nothing controversial there at all. Cardio is the enemy when it comes to bulking. You'll never see an endurance athlete with sizeable muscle mass, cardio eats muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'm doing the 5x5 stronglift routine. Anyone else tried it out? Work out 3 times a week. Monay, Wednesday and Friday. Resting Saturday and Sunday. Swapping between setup A and B. So A,B,A the first week and B,A,B the second week, and so on. Add 2.5KG(5kg on deadlift) to each exercise each week untill it says stop Works like a charm for me. In regards to Stronglifts, are you supposed to do other exercises in-between/before/after each lift during that session/week? Surely if you're only doing 3 exercises per session, you're only gonna be in the gym for about 20 mins? I've been wondering about this for a little while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 23, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted April 23, 2013 I assume there are accessory lifts on Stronglifts? That's how it is on MAdcow (another 5x5 variant). You have the 3 main compound lifts per session, and then 2 or 3 accessories like curls or pull ups or Good Mornings etc. You don't need to be in the gym for hours. I'm seldom in the gym (purely lifting anyway) for more than an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'm doing the 5x5 stronglift routine. Anyone else tried it out? Work out 3 times a week. Monay, Wednesday and Friday. Resting Saturday and Sunday. Swapping between setup A and B. So A,B,A the first week and B,A,B the second week, and so on. Add 2.5KG(5kg on deadlift) to each exercise each week untill it says stop Works like a charm for me. In regards to Stronglifts, are you supposed to do other exercises in-between/before/after each lift during that session/week? Surely if you're only doing 3 exercises per session, you're only gonna be in the gym for about 20 mins? I've been wondering about this for a little while now. You can, but you really don't need to. The program is focused around compound lifts, they'll work out all the key muscle groups. You don't need to start isolating muscles until you have weak points. If you're starting out your entire body is a weak point so it's kind of pointless to start targeting specific areas. If you're at the level where you need to do more than the lifts in a classic 5x5 then you're already past the point where you get the most benefit from it and will have likely moved on to a different program anyway. The rule generally is if you have to ask if you need to do accessory lifts, you don't need to do accessory lifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 23, 2013 Moderator Share Posted April 23, 2013 I assume there are accessory lifts on Stronglifts? That's how it is on MAdcow (another 5x5 variant). You have the 3 main compound lifts per session, and then 2 or 3 accessories like curls or pull ups or Good Mornings etc. You don't need to be in the gym for hours. I'm seldom in the gym (purely lifting anyway) for more than an hour.My workout from the moment I sit on the rowing machine takes the better part of 2hrs. I'll say 1hr 45m. A little shorter on the deadlift day due to fewer sets. After my compound lifts I do the following. On the overhead day I'll do 10x22.5, 8x22.5, 6x25 shoulder press. Then on both days I do triceps. That is 3x20xraised & weighted (15kg) dips. Then 3x10x25kg skull crushers. Then biceps, 10x15kg, 10x15, 10x12.5, 10x10 curls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 23, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'm never on the gym floor for two hours, including days I do HIIT (20-25 minutes). The longest session I have is my Friday/Saturday session. 6 sets of Squats 6 Sets of Bench Press 6 Sets of Barbell Rows 3 sets of DB Curls 3 sets of Barbell "21s" 3 sets of weighted chest dips Light ab work 20 minutes of HIIT on the bike. That takes me about 90 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'm doing the 5x5 stronglift routine. Anyone else tried it out? Work out 3 times a week. Monay, Wednesday and Friday. Resting Saturday and Sunday. Swapping between setup A and B. So A,B,A the first week and B,A,B the second week, and so on. Add 2.5KG(5kg on deadlift) to each exercise each week untill it says stop Works like a charm for me. A : Squat 5x5 Benchpress: 5x5 Barbell Rows: 5x5 B: Squat 5x5 Barbell Shoulderpress 5x5 Deadlift: 1x5 Yup, all the way up to; Benchpress: 100kg x5 Barbell Rows: 75kg x5 Squats: 165kg x5 Barbell OHP: 70kg x5 Deadlift: 180kg x5 Then I had a lot going on and haven't been to the gym for 5 months. I feel fat and lethargic. v_v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 That's not good Dante, get yourself back on the wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'm supersetting once a week in an attempt to add stamina and shred a little. Like so - Front lateral raises + hammer curls 4 x 10 x 10 (14kg dumbbells) Weighted lunges + bent over dumbbell flys 4 x 20 x 10 (14kg dumbbells) Abdominal crunches + plank 4 x 20 x 1 minute Decline push-up + Bicep curl to military press 4 x 20 x 10 (12kg dumbells) All fairly basic stuff, nothing fancy but then that's never been my way. I threw in some forearm curls at the end today, I was **** but I could have given more so ideas are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 In lieu of the conversation, an hour in the gym is more than enough. If you've energy left at the end for more you're not doing it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Did less cardio today moved on to a bit of weights abs arms legs ....less wrecked but im still breathing heavy after and I can really feel it ....if you know I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Not heavy heavy but heavy than normal ....nothing serious like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2013 Progress is key. Strive to lift more every session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 24, 2013 Moderator Share Posted April 24, 2013 That's it MV. It'll progress from there. Find the right balance of cardio v weights, then find a weights programme that suits and as Stevo says, look to progress the weights slowly but consistently and before you know it you'll be surprising yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Muscles aching today ..already for tomorrow bit to note an old female work mate commented I have put on a bit of weight its true nearly half a stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 25, 2013 Moderator Share Posted April 25, 2013 I was really hoping tinternet would tell me it's not OK to work out while you have a cold. Sadly it looks like it is safe provided it's not from the neck down, so I'll have to haul my ass there this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I thought Stronglifts was just a ripoff of SS, in that it added 2 extra reps for the sake of it (ie: to avoid proprietary issues). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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