theboyangel Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The only way Randy can save himself is to come out and say that the McLeish deal is off due to fan unrest. If he dosnt, the relationship with the board will never be the same again. That would be worse. It would mean he is not strong willed to follow through on his convictions. What manager would join us knowing that the Chairman was the fans' puppet? They would never be secure in their job. We would also be a joke IN the game. As he has now approached McLeish he HAS to see it through. Why does he have to see it through??? If you're an employer do you papersift potential employees CV's but only interview one??? that would be daft!!! To get out of this, Randy can interview 1 or 2 more candidates and simply say AM wasn't the best equipped but thanks for trying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Looks like this is it then. I suppose I have little choice now other than to give McLeish my backing. But the board have truly spat in the face of every Villa fan with this ridiculous saga. Looking at the 3 main candidates we know of, Eck, Martinez and McLaren, its pretty obvious Randy set out to find a "yes" man. All 3 of them would be punching well above their weight at Villa and happy to receive whatever meagre funds are to be dished out by the owner to rebuild our ever depleting squad. Houllier was a "yes" man too. Randy was obviously so outraged by O'Neill having the balls to stand up for himself that he decided that all future managers need to tow the line. I can't ever remember being this disillusioned with Villa. Was so looking forward to putting last season behind us and genuinely believed that Randy would learn from the Houllier mistake and get in a top class manager and send us forward. The goalposts have obviously changed. The 5 year plan failed and its back to settling for mid-table mediocrity. Happy days. THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I really don't see AM fitting the bill as a yes man. He seems to be rather thick skinned and similar to MON in many respects, only less eloquent perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Your sarcastic tone doesn't make you look clever or validate your point any further. On McLeish we shall see. His CV is not appalling. His relegations have been balenced by his success also. He is not my top choice or even in my top 5 but to say his CV is "appalling" is just incorrect. I agree his CV is not appalling, however his premier league record is.... Yes, he did well with Rangers (bit like taking over ManUre or Chelsea but in Scotland) and cut his teeth well with Hibs (after their initial relegation) But going on the Board's criteria of 'Premier League' experience then he should fail dismally.... Awful brand of football (admittedly with a poor squad) and a gift of a cup victory! I think we're all clinging onto the hope that with our players, he'll set them out to play a more expansive game (than his usual 8-1-1 formation) but I don't think he knows any other way! The truth is most managers that succeed are a good fit for the club at that period in time. NO-ONE (including me) will know if he is a good fit until he has a few months in the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The only way Randy can save himself is to come out and say that the McLeish deal is off due to fan unrest. If he dosnt, the relationship with the board will never be the same again. That would be worse. It would mean he is not strong willed to follow through on his convictions. What manager would join us knowing that the Chairman was the fans' puppet? They would never be secure in their job. We would also be a joke IN the game. As he has now approached McLeish he HAS to see it through. Why does he have to see it through??? If you're an employer do you papersift potential employees CV's but only interview one??? that would be daft!!! To get out of this, Randy can interview 1 or 2 more candidates and simply say AM wasn't the best equipped but thanks for trying! True but at this period of time he HAS offered him the job. So if he then withdraws the offer because the other staff don't like the look of him, then you would seem weak. And I am an employer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I am away now for a few days in Newcastle I can't beleive I'm going to miss all the action! No internet neither hardly! This is gonna turn out to be the most incompetent way of handling matters of dealing with a managerial appointment in the history of handling managerial appointments and we'll be a laughing stock forever! or if me and Diehardvillain & a few others are onto something........ then in one foul swoop Randy Lerner is gonna make SHA as well as the press look like absolute baffoons UTV!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Your sarcastic tone doesn't make you look clever or validate your point any further. On McLeish we shall see. His CV is not appalling. His relegations have been balenced by his success also. He is not my top choice or even in my top 5 but to say his CV is "appalling" is just incorrect. I agree his CV is not appalling, however his premier league record is.... Yes, he did well with Rangers (bit like taking over ManUre or Chelsea but in Scotland) and cut his teeth well with Hibs (after their initial relegation) But going on the Board's criteria of 'Premier League' experience then he should fail dismally.... Awful brand of football (admittedly with a poor squad) and a gift of a cup victory! I think we're all clinging onto the hope that with our players, he'll set them out to play a more expansive game (than his usual 8-1-1 formation) but I don't think he knows any other way! The truth is most managers that succeed are a good fit for the club at that period in time. NO-ONE (including me) will know if he is a good fit until he has a few months in the job. But with his record in the league, why take the risk that he may be a good fit??? Doesn't make sense?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Alex McLeish is just a poor man's Alex McLeish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowDoINotLikeThat Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hes a championship manager. Actually would prefer Fat Sam here even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Your sarcastic tone doesn't make you look clever or validate your point any further. On McLeish we shall see. His CV is not appalling. His relegations have been balenced by his success also. He is not my top choice or even in my top 5 but to say his CV is "appalling" is just incorrect. I agree his CV is not appalling, however his premier league record is.... Yes, he did well with Rangers (bit like taking over ManUre or Chelsea but in Scotland) and cut his teeth well with Hibs (after their initial relegation) But going on the Board's criteria of 'Premier League' experience then he should fail dismally.... Awful brand of football (admittedly with a poor squad) and a gift of a cup victory! I think we're all clinging onto the hope that with our players, he'll set them out to play a more expansive game (than his usual 8-1-1 formation) but I don't think he knows any other way! The truth is most managers that succeed are a good fit for the club at that period in time. NO-ONE (including me) will know if he is a good fit until he has a few months in the job. But with his record in the league, why take the risk that he may be a good fit??? Doesn't make sense?!?! I think he has mitigating circumstances. I am sure a lot will not agree. I think he deserves his chance, I am sure alot won't agree. But he may be a good fit in the similar mould to how Gregory was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The only way Randy can save himself is to come out and say that the McLeish deal is off due to fan unrest. If he dosnt, the relationship with the board will never be the same again. That would be worse. It would mean he is not strong willed to follow through on his convictions. What manager would join us knowing that the Chairman was the fans' puppet? They would never be secure in their job. We would also be a joke IN the game. As he has now approached McLeish he HAS to see it through. If they see it through, they sh_t on the fans of Aston Villa Football club. Its nothing to do with fans puppet.. The club have always said they like to be close to the fans..They have Krulak on here to give feedback to the board etc.. We are all in this together arnt we? As a family, as a club.. This search for a manger is for our family.. We all know they cant please everyone...Yet they are creating a huge division with this appoinment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limvillian Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The only way Randy can save himself is to come out and say that the McLeish deal is off due to fan unrest. If he dosnt, the relationship with the board will never be the same again. That would be worse. It would mean he is not strong willed to follow through on his convictions. What manager would join us knowing that the Chairman was the fans' puppet? They would never be secure in their job. We would also be a joke IN the game. As he has now approached McLeish he HAS to see it through. Why does he have to see it through??? If you're an employer do you papersift potential employees CV's but only interview one??? that would be daft!!! To get out of this, Randy can interview 1 or 2 more candidates and simply say AM wasn't the best equipped but thanks for trying! True but at this period of time he HAS offered him the job. So if he then withdraws the offer because the other staff don't like the look of him, then you would seem weak. And I am an employer. When did this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The only way Randy can save himself is to come out and say that the McLeish deal is off due to fan unrest. If he dosnt, the relationship with the board will never be the same again. That would be worse. It would mean he is not strong willed to follow through on his convictions. What manager would join us knowing that the Chairman was the fans' puppet? They would never be secure in their job. We would also be a joke IN the game. As he has now approached McLeish he HAS to see it through. Why does he have to see it through??? If you're an employer do you papersift potential employees CV's but only interview one??? that would be daft!!! To get out of this, Randy can interview 1 or 2 more candidates and simply say AM wasn't the best equipped but thanks for trying! True but at this period of time he HAS offered him the job. So if he then withdraws the offer because the other staff don't like the look of him, then you would seem weak. And I am an employer. Completely different in this situation. We as the supporters should be seen as the employer. Without us the club can't survive... He wouldn't seem weak if he pulled the deal, as it would be to satisfy us supporters. We keep the club running and are the ones that will continue to do so for years to come. You can't really compare this to a normal company. Sure, you can between the chairman and the manager, yet you can't class us as 'staff'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I think he has mitigating circumstances. I am sure a lot will not agree. I think he deserves his chance, I am sure alot won't agree. But he may be a good fit in the similar mould to how Gregory was. Bangs head against wall!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 this statement is taking it's time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefeet1980 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Alex McLeish is just a poor man's Alex McLeish... But at least he ****' hates the blues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardvillan Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I am away now for a few days in Newcastle I can't beleive I'm going to miss all the action! No internet neither hardly! This is gonna turn out to be the most incompetent way of handling matters of dealing with a managerial appointment in the history of handling managerial appointments and we'll be a laughing stock forever! or if me and Diehardvillain & a few others are onto something........ then in one foul swoop Randy Lerner is gonna make SHA as well as the press look like absolute baffoons UTV!! I like your thinking Julie & I am trying to see it as a positive that nothing has been said. But like you say, we look VERY imcompetent at the moment, and when it suddenly looks like this saga is over and done with; they decide to let it drag on another 24 hours. I was applauding the way the board went about there business, but it would seem WHEN McLeish is appointed FINALLY, the whole media will be vindicated for the way they have criticised our conduct and secrecy. It has quite frankly turned out to be laughable. HOWEVER, maybe just maybe it isn't all as straight forward as it appears. Clinging onto some hope...forgive me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Shame...because we are at a point on needing a team re-build...And we chose McLeish as the man to do it.. Not Va Gaal, Rijkaad, Flores etc,.. who would have the pick of some of Europe's finest plyers.. We chose McLeish who can sign rejects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggaman Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 McLeish as DOF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 this statement is taking it's time.. crosses fingers, toes and everything else i can......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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