Cannabis

[MrWeedMcGrass]

Long lasting is not necessarily a problem , is it? I mean you CAN get stoned for 8 hours on a Saturday if ya want to laze around and play a bit of Hitman Blood Money(My fav. game these days).

Most adults here drive cars every day.

Is that a theorem? Universally true? :winkold:

I have beeen in the United States many a times for work related purposes so I am not exactly 'alien' to western society , you see. :winkold:

I don't believe , there is a specific reason to believe people HAVE to drive on Saturdays , hence they should refrain from partaking the pleasures of Cannabis.

It was an example , anyway. What if a person is on Holiday? What if I want to eat a hash cookie before I go to bed?

[mjmooney]

Villa fans seem to have a very keen liking for cannabis, I get a whif of it virtually every time I go to a game. Yesterday there were 2 groups of fans blatantly smoking it in Aston park before kick off and you can usually smell it outside the holte suite after a game. I find it quite funny personally, just the care free manner of these people brings a smile to me.

First time I noticed this, it came as quite a shock.

Back in the 70s when I was a student, cannabis (plain "dope" to us) was used by students and the middle classes WAY more than by working class kids, who preferred booze and amphetamines. Football and dope were almost diametrically opposite cultures. I associated Villa matches with the smell of beer.

But when I started going to games again in the mid 90s, for the first time I smelled cannabis fumes at a game - in the away end at Hillsborough, a couple of Villa fans blatantly sharing a pipe just in front of me. I was gobsmacked.

In fact it still seems slightly weird.

[kidlewis]

the gateway is bullshit because it's the illegal dealers who offer every drug under the sun and probably a lot of which is pretty shit and full of other stuff that is worse for you.

classic case being some cannabis resin where they mix plastic and other substances into it. I think smoking plastic is probably worse for you than cannabis.

if cannabis was legalise on it's own and the illegal side of people obtaining that removed. it being some "gateway drug" would soon disappear.

[MrWeedMcGrass]

the gateway is bullshit because it's the illegal dealers who offer every drug under the sun and probably a lot of which is pretty shit and full of other stuff that is worse for you.

classic case being some cannabis resin where they mix plastic and other substances into it. I think smoking plastic is probably worse for you than cannabis.

if cannabis was legalise on it's own and the illegal side of people obtaining that removed. it being some "gateway drug" would soon disappear.

The concept itself is fundamentally flawed , especially when Alcohol , which is a 'drug' by all definitions of the word is legal.

Why is alcohol not considered a gateway drug?

[mjmooney]

the gateway is bullshit because it's the illegal dealers who offer every drug under the sun and probably a lot of which is pretty shit and full of other stuff that is worse for you.

classic case being some cannabis resin where they mix plastic and other substances into it. I think smoking plastic is probably worse for you than cannabis.

if cannabis was legalise on it's own and the illegal side of people obtaining that removed. it being some "gateway drug" would soon disappear.

The concept itself is fundamentally flawed , especially when Alcohol , which is a 'drug' by all definitions of the word is legal.

Why is alcohol not considered a gateway drug?

I think because many people still avoid illegal stuff. The implication is "if it's legal it must be OK, but illegal drugs must be more dangerous". In other words, some people will simply go as far as they can on legal drugs, but not beyond. Is this a good thing? Maybe.

And there's alcohol and alcohol. Most alcoholics drink spirits. Most beer drinkers don't become alcoholics, but some do. Is beer therefore a gateway drug to harder liquor? For some, yes. For others, no.

[Shillzz]

Villa fans seem to have a very keen liking for cannabis, I get a whif of it virtually every time I go to a game. Yesterday there were 2 groups of fans blatantly smoking it in Aston park before kick off and you can usually smell it outside the holte suite after a game. I find it quite funny personally, just the care free manner of these people brings a smile to me.

First time I noticed this, it came as quite a shock.

Back in the 70s when I was a student, cannabis (plain "dope" to us) was used by students and the middle classes WAY more than by working class kids, who preferred booze and amphetamines. Football and dope were almost diametrically opposite cultures. I associated Villa matches with the smell of beer.

But when I started going to games again in the mid 90s, for the first time I smelled cannabis fumes at a game - in the away end at Hillsborough, a couple of Villa fans blatantly sharing a pipe just in front of me. I was gobsmacked.

In fact it still seems slightly weird.

I sometimes take the old man along, the rest of us usually share a chuckle about it whilst the "old guard" seem none the wiser about where the smell is coming from, or indeed what it is at all.

[mjmooney]

Villa fans seem to have a very keen liking for cannabis, I get a whif of it virtually every time I go to a game. Yesterday there were 2 groups of fans blatantly smoking it in Aston park before kick off and you can usually smell it outside the holte suite after a game. I find it quite funny personally, just the care free manner of these people brings a smile to me.

First time I noticed this, it came as quite a shock.

Back in the 70s when I was a student, cannabis (plain "dope" to us) was used by students and the middle classes WAY more than by working class kids, who preferred booze and amphetamines. Football and dope were almost diametrically opposite cultures. I associated Villa matches with the smell of beer.

But when I started going to games again in the mid 90s, for the first time I smelled cannabis fumes at a game - in the away end at Hillsborough, a couple of Villa fans blatantly sharing a pipe just in front of me. I was gobsmacked.

In fact it still seems slightly weird.

I sometimes take the old man along, the rest of us usually share a chuckle about it whilst the "old guard" seem none the wiser about where the smell is coming from, or indeed what it is at all.

How old is your dad?

[MrWeedMcGrass]

the gateway is bullshit because it's the illegal dealers who offer every drug under the sun and probably a lot of which is pretty shit and full of other stuff that is worse for you.

classic case being some cannabis resin where they mix plastic and other substances into it. I think smoking plastic is probably worse for you than cannabis.

if cannabis was legalise on it's own and the illegal side of people obtaining that removed. it being some "gateway drug" would soon disappear.

The concept itself is fundamentally flawed , especially when Alcohol , which is a 'drug' by all definitions of the word is legal.

Why is alcohol not considered a gateway drug?

I think because many people still avoid illegal stuff. The implication is "if it's legal it must be OK, but illegal drugs must be more dangerous". In other words, some people will simply go as far as they can on legal drugs, but not beyond.

And there's alcohol and alcohol. Most alcoholics drink spirits. Most beer drinkers don't become alcoholics, but some do. Is beer therefore a gateway drug to harder liquor? For some, yes. For others, no. Is this a good thing? Maybe.

Agree with this part.

Though most beer drinkers do partake in harder liquor in my experience(With the possible exception of Americans who love their shitty beers to death).

[mjmooney]

the gateway is bullshit because it's the illegal dealers who offer every drug under the sun and probably a lot of which is pretty shit and full of other stuff that is worse for you.

classic case being some cannabis resin where they mix plastic and other substances into it. I think smoking plastic is probably worse for you than cannabis.

if cannabis was legalise on it's own and the illegal side of people obtaining that removed. it being some "gateway drug" would soon disappear.

The concept itself is fundamentally flawed , especially when Alcohol , which is a 'drug' by all definitions of the word is legal.

Why is alcohol not considered a gateway drug?

I think because many people still avoid illegal stuff. The implication is "if it's legal it must be OK, but illegal drugs must be more dangerous". In other words, some people will simply go as far as they can on legal drugs, but not beyond.

And there's alcohol and alcohol. Most alcoholics drink spirits. Most beer drinkers don't become alcoholics, but some do. Is beer therefore a gateway drug to harder liquor? For some, yes. For others, no. Is this a good thing? Maybe.

Agree with this part.

Though most beer drinkers do partake in harder liquor in my experience(With the possible exception of Americans who love their shitty beers to death).

There seem to be three factors affecting addiction - the actual addictive properties of the substance; the physical (i.e metabolic, possibly genetic) tendency to addiction in the user; and the psychological tendency to addiction in the user.

Some people seem to become easily addicted to even supposedly non-addictive substances (or other "vices" such as porn, food, etc.). Others seem to be able to take highly addictive stuff and yet not become dependent.

It's complex, and not fully understood.

[Shillzz]

MJ Mooney - not that old - but he's lived a sheltered life let's say!

[MrWeedMcGrass]

Some people seem to become easily addicted to even supposedly non-addictive substances (or other "vices" such as porn, food, etc.). Others seem to be able to take highly addictive stuff and yet not become dependent.

It's complex, and not fully understood.

Nail. Head.

[wiggyrichard]

Some people seem to become easily addicted to even supposedly non-addictive substances (or other "vices" such as porn, food, etc.). Others seem to be able to take highly addictive stuff and yet not become dependent.

It's complex, and not fully understood.

Nail. Head.

Smoking is an easy example.

Ive not smoked for a year now and dont crave really, but if i did smoke a couple of fags id be back on 20 a day in no time. Now my mate can not smoke for months then smoke 10 fags on a night out then not smoke again until the next time he goes out 2 months later or whatever!

[mjmooney]

MJ Mooney - not that old - but he's lived a sheltered life let's say!

OK, I was trying to see if he fit my theory. I'm 56, but I was a student in the 70s, and I've smoked my share of the stuff, so I recognise the smell instantly.

But I'll bet that most people of my generation who didn't go to university back then, probably never saw it.

Whereas now, it appears to be much more widespread among the younger generation - including the working class kids who in my day would have derided cannabis as a hippy/student vice.

[Shillzz]

He is about 8 years older and never went to University. So perhaps that adds some credence to your theory?

[mjmooney]

Some people seem to become easily addicted to even supposedly non-addictive substances (or other "vices" such as porn, food, etc.). Others seem to be able to take highly addictive stuff and yet not become dependent.

It's complex, and not fully understood.

Nail. Head.

Smoking is an easy example.

Ive not smoked for a year now and dont crave really, but if i did smoke a couple of fags id be back on 20 a day in no time. Now my mate can not smoke for months then smoke 10 fags on a night out then not smoke again until the next time he goes out 2 months later or whatever!

That's me. I last smoked (anything) regularly over 25 years ago, but I had no trouble whatsoever in giving up. I could even smoke the odd cigarette with no desire to start buying them.

My dad was exactly the same - quite a heavy smoker, but gave it up when he retired, to save money. He also had no problem at all - which made him very intolerant of nicotine addicts.

This is why I think there's a genetic predisposition to addiction that most people have, but a few of us don't.

I also like alcohol, but more for quality than quantity - good real ale, good wine, good Scotch. But I rarely get really shitfaced, and never feel I NEED a drink.

EDIT: Not surprisingly, the fact that I'm a runner means that nowadays I have a MASSIVE aversion to smoking in any form.

[mjmooney]

He is about 8 years older and never went to University. So perhaps that adds some credence to your theory?

Yes, I think it does.

[Phumfeinz]

420 Smoke weed e'ryday 420

[MrWeedMcGrass]

He is about 8 years older and never went to University. So perhaps that adds some credence to your theory?

Yes, I think it does.

My dad was a student in the Liverpool Univ. in the 70's , Engineering Dept. Probably around your age Mike ( He is 55 this year).

[mjmooney]

He is about 8 years older and never went to University. So perhaps that adds some credence to your theory?

Yes, I think it does.

My dad was a student in the Liverpool Univ. in the 70's , Engineering Dept. Probably around your age Mike ( He is 55 this year).

Ah, one of the Golden Generation.

Is that where you got your taste in music, perchance?

[Chindie]

On the older generation point, my dad, who is 57, working class and not uni educated, would recognise the smell and indeed has, has never smoked anything in his life, and has an inbuilt hatred of drugs. I was informed when I went to uni that I have came back as a cannabis user I would be looking for a new home.