Cannabis

[kidlewis]

also the biggest cost for growing cannabis is the lamps used to grow them indoors, however with greenhouses etc you could grow it without that. also the lamps are generally used to grow skunk which is very strong.

without lamps you don't get these super mongy cannabis strains but I think they wouldn't be suitable for general use anyway.

so the cost for growing cannabis could be very low.

it's also quite easy to grow with a bit of know how (I haven't grown it btw). But i remember reading an article on the beeb about some drug dealers who were caught growing cannabis in shrubery at the side of a road in the UK. Huge amount of it, as though they have just thrown a load of seeds in the hedge and just come back a few months later.

I just have them in pots in the back garden, water them and leave them to it. Easy it is, no need for lamps and all that jazz.

exactly,

thinking about it I think if the government took control of this, they would make an absolute fortune just off cannabis.

I'd have no issue with it if they did and it would mean billions being pumped into NHS, rehab and policing and I think the burden on these services as a result of legalisation wouldn't be as much as the benefit of the investment. Mainly because there's already a couple of million regular users, I don't think legalising it would suddenly make another 2-5m start regularly biffing it up.

you'd probably have two years of binge smoking, then it would get more sensible.

it would be like legalising chocolate, people would gorge for a while then realise it's readily available and just be more casual about it.

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

You are correct, you would think that all the kids would be smoking it all day long but the opposite is true. It's not really a problem as far as I know because it's not illegal. Make things illegal and everyone wants to do it, just because. Same with booze over here as well, they can drink beer at 16 I think but I have never seen kids on the street drunk as I do in the UK.

[kidlewis]

You are correct, you would think that all the kids would be smoking it all day long but the opposite is true. It's not really a problem as far as I know because it's not illegal. Make things illegal and everyone wants to do it, just because. Same with booze over here as well, they can drink beer at 16 I think but I have never seen kids on the street drunk as I do in the UK.

this is it,

people think legalising drugs would mean everyone getting monged and vomming everywhere.

they would initially but then it dies down.

when i was 17-20 i used to get pissed all the time, spent loads of money and was sick quite a lot.

then i grew out of it and just drink in moderation. the peer pressure peters out as well.

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[MrWeedMcGrass]

also the biggest cost for growing cannabis is the lamps used to grow them indoors, however with greenhouses etc you could grow it without that. also the lamps are generally used to grow skunk which is very strong.

without lamps you don't get these super mongy cannabis strains but I think they wouldn't be suitable for general use anyway.

so the cost for growing cannabis could be very low.

it's also quite easy to grow with a bit of know how (I haven't grown it btw). But i remember reading an article on the beeb about some drug dealers who were caught growing cannabis in shrubery at the side of a road in the UK. Huge amount of it, as though they have just thrown a load of seeds in the hedge and just come back a few months later.

It can grow almost anywhere there is soil and some kind of light to sustain photosynthesis. In fact , if you had a common strain and fairly average weather and sunlight , you could ust toss those seeds in and water em once a while , that's about it. In months you'll have a nice juicy plant going there.

[PompeyVillan]

To be fair, the difference could be legality, or it could be cultural. We have a binge/excess culture in UK.

[Gringo]

You can have 5 plants per household in Holland iirc, works well. I only grow 2 a year though as I am no Percy Thrower.

In Spain you can grow for your own usage - don't theink there's a strict limit, but three or four plants seems acceptable.

[ender4]

i like Cannabis (in moderation).

[kidlewis]

You can have 5 plants per household in Holland iirc, works well. I only grow 2 a year though as I am no Percy Thrower.

In Spain you can grow for your own usage - don't theink there's a strict limit, but three or four plants seems acceptable.

in Spain?

where did you read that, I thought you couldn't do anything of the sort.

[Gringo]

You can have 5 plants per household in Holland iirc, works well. I only grow 2 a year though as I am no Percy Thrower.

In Spain you can grow for your own usage - don't theink there's a strict limit, but three or four plants seems acceptable.

in Spain?

where did you read that, I thought you couldn't do anything of the sort.

WikiBaccy"]

Spain

In Spain the possession and use of cannabis in public places is classed as a misdemeanour under public health laws and is punishable by fines and confiscation. Trafficking is a criminal offence.

However, the right to consume marijuana and grow plants for personal consumption in one's private property is protected under the Spanish constitution. In practice one can still be denounced for doing so by neighbours or ill-wishers, and the burden is then effectively on the user or grower to prove that the material is for personal use only.

In recent years a number of members' associations have been established throughout the country in an attempt to extend the boundary of the Spanish citizen's constitutional rights. In an association cannabis is grown and shared among the members. The association may not promote or be seen to encourage the use of cannabis and it must be a closed group for existing adult consumers only, distributing only small amounts regularly to each member (typically 10 grams per week) so as to prevent the possibility of trafficking. As well as a membership fee, members must pay for what they consume and prices may not be much different than on the black market.

Where the associations have come under legal challenge they have been able to surmount this, and in at least one case have secured the return of several kilos of confiscated plants.

[kidlewis]

You can have 5 plants per household in Holland iirc, works well. I only grow 2 a year though as I am no Percy Thrower.

In Spain you can grow for your own usage - don't theink there's a strict limit, but three or four plants seems acceptable.

in Spain?

where did you read that, I thought you couldn't do anything of the sort.

WikiBaccy"]

Spain

In Spain the possession and use of cannabis in public places is classed as a misdemeanour under public health laws and is punishable by fines and confiscation. Trafficking is a criminal offence.

However, the right to consume marijuana and grow plants for personal consumption in one's private property is protected under the Spanish constitution. In practice one can still be denounced for doing so by neighbours or ill-wishers, and the burden is then effectively on the user or grower to prove that the material is for personal use only.

In recent years a number of members' associations have been established throughout the country in an attempt to extend the boundary of the Spanish citizen's constitutional rights. In an association cannabis is grown and shared among the members. The association may not promote or be seen to encourage the use of cannabis and it must be a closed group for existing adult consumers only, distributing only small amounts regularly to each member (typically 10 grams per week) so as to prevent the possibility of trafficking. As well as a membership fee, members must pay for what they consume and prices may not be much different than on the black market.

Where the associations have come under legal challenge they have been able to surmount this, and in at least one case have secured the return of several kilos of confiscated plants.

I wonder if that is mainland spain only or whether canary islands etc fall under the same rule?

[MrWeedMcGrass]

I think it is pretty much decriminalised in Portugal too if I recall correctly. I remember reading somewhere.

[wiggyrichard]

I think it is pretty much decriminalised in Portugal too if I recall correctly. I remember reading somewhere.

Are you off the weed now MWM? Last i remember you were trying to knock it on the head?

[MrWeedMcGrass]

I think it is pretty much decriminalised in Portugal too if I recall correctly. I remember reading somewhere.

Are you off the weed now MWM? Last i remember you were trying to knock it on the head?

I think you are confused , i was trying to quit cigarettes(down to e-cigarettes now) now but never had any intention of giving on weed :winkold:

[wiggyrichard]

I think it is pretty much decriminalised in Portugal too if I recall correctly. I remember reading somewhere.

Are you off the weed now MWM? Last i remember you were trying to knock it on the head?

I think you are confused , i was trying to quit cigarettes(down to e-cigarettes now) now but never had any intention of giving on weed :winkold:

My bad

At least your off the fags, 10 months for me now.

Question - Would be ok or stupid if i had a cigar to celebrate the birth of my son?

[MrWeedMcGrass]

I think it is pretty much decriminalised in Portugal too if I recall correctly. I remember reading somewhere.

Are you off the weed now MWM? Last i remember you were trying to knock it on the head?

I think you are confused , i was trying to quit cigarettes(down to e-cigarettes now) now but never had any intention of giving on weed :winkold:

My bad

At least your off the fags, 10 months for me now.

Question - Would be ok or stupid if i had a cigar to celebrate the birth of my son?

Well , you don't really smoke a cigar like a cigarette , it is a different technique. You apparently don't inhale the smoke as you do with a cigarette , you sort of take the smoke in your mouth , swirl it around and throw it out. I have never got the hang of it , i end up smoking it like a big fat blunt.

[leviramsey]

Would crosspost this with the "economic situation is dire" thread if I could...

Wall Street trades down from cocaine to cannabis

The credit crisis appears to have sobered up Wall Street in more ways than one.

A review of drug-test data compiled by drug testing firm Sterling Infosystems Inc., shows that cocaine is losing its favor among investment professionals. What drug is their choice? Marijuana.

Last year, cocaine showed up in 7% of the positive tests at Wall Street firms, down from 16% in 2007, according to Sterling, a New York-based firm that screens about 5,900 employees a year for some 270 finance shops.

Meanwhile, the prevalence of marijuana in failed tests jumped from 64% to 80% between 2007 and 2009.

“I think the incidence of hard drug use is lower today than it was 10 or 15 years ago,” says Adam Zoia, CEO of executive recruiting firm Glocap Search LLC. “The banks, in particular, are pretty persnickity on background checks.”

In all, finance seems to be a relatively clean profession. Only 2% of the industry failed drug tests last year, compared with 3.6% of the working world at-large, according to Sterling. Retail workers, in comparison, were red-flagged 4.1% of the time.

The highest levels of abuse seem to be at real estate investment trust companies, a sector that, incidentally, does more random testing than others.

But the test results generally capture drug use among new hires, candidates who knew that they would likely be tested. Random drug testing is rare, according to a spokesman for a bulge-bracket bank who asked to remain unnamed.

Among existing employees, psychologists and counselors said that drug abuse has not slackened. Some even said it is peaking, exacerbated by the credit crisis and the volatile and tenuous recovery that has ensued.

Seabrook House, a 24-bed luxury rehab facility in Pennsylvania, has been crammed with Wall Street refugees in recent months, according to Clinical Director William Heran. They are paying $24,000 for a three-month program to get clean.

Mr. Heran has been around long enough to discern a forex trader from an M&A banker. He says the rage these days is a Pez dispenser with the head of a red devil. Inside? Pills of Oxycodone or Percocet.

“We’re in crisis mode,” he says. “Many of these drugs are so accessible to the average person, let alone the person who is well-spoken and professional.”

Indeed, amphetamines seem to be gaining cache, showing up in 10% of Sterling’s positive tests this year, compared with 3% in 2007.

Across the U.S., cocaine and marijuana use has been static since 2002 at least, according to federal Health Department data. But New York is a hot-bed for illicit drugs and Manhattanites are particularly heavy users.

In a 2001 survey, 9.6% of Manhattan residents said they had used marijuana in the previous year, compared with 6% of people across the country; 5% of the island’s residents had done cocaine in the previous month, compared with 2.3% U.S.-wide.

Turning Point For Leaders, a Connecticut-based intervention and rehab company, is also seeing a steady stream of clients from Wall Street. Robert Curry, who founded the business, says that the industry is still a hot bed of abuse.

“Investment bankers — gunslingers, as we call them — are highly prone to addiction,” he explained. “And there’s a lot of denial among employers. The attitude is: ‘If they can’t fix themselves, then they’re going to have to live with it. We’re not going to put any time and effort into it.’”

Many counselors says that finance workers feel entitled to illicit drugs, given their paychecks and stress of their jobs. They are also allegedly very good at masking their addictions, the counselors say.

Heavy users, however, are seldom fooling their employers, says Brad Lamm, president of New York-based Intervention Specialists. Lamm has also seen a surge in substance abuse on Wall Street – in his words “a lot of crack and coke.”

“The titans of Wall Street normalize crazy behavior all the time,” he says. “If somebody’s delivering and showing up and doing the work, they almost have to catch on fire for someone to sound the alarm.”

The upside is that none of Mr. Lamm’s clients has been fired for abuse. In fact, he typically contacts the employer before an intervention with a sort of mantra that he uses to get through to both the user and the boss: “Dead guys don’t bonus.”

[Gringo]

I think it is pretty much decriminalised in Portugal too if I recall correctly. I remember reading somewhere.

Are you off the weed now MWM? Last i remember you were trying to knock it on the head?

Obviously not, as the article about decriminalisation in portugal is on page 1 of this thread.

[MrWeedMcGrass]

I think it is pretty much decriminalised in Portugal too if I recall correctly. I remember reading somewhere.

Are you off the weed now MWM? Last i remember you were trying to knock it on the head?

Obviously not, as the article about decriminalisation in portugal is on page 1 of this thread.

:wink:

I did not go through that article though.

[juanpabloangel18]

Just sparked up a fat one. Gonna spend the next few hours browsing Villa videos on Youtube

Ps - thought i'd share this with any other fellow Canoids

[VillaGoMarching]

I can't think of anything worse than legalizing cannibis, instead of a fifth of our nation smelling like cat piss and wasting there lives on the sofa it'd be around half. Championed by the under class, i'd much rather they'd move on to Crack already and all OD on the stuff.

Tried it and didn't see the facination in it, Monging out is great isn't it?!?