Bolitics The New Condem Government

[villaajax]

Blair hoovered up swing votes when he was Labour leader. David's just got far more appeal outside the Labour voter base.

 

I fully support Ed but I agree with what you say.

[chrisp65]

They missed the chance to get Alan Johnson in, they'll stick with Ed and hope that first past the post means that UKIP splits the right vote and 4 or 5 Lib Dems survive to help Labour limp over the line.

 

Right now, I don't see that plan / hope / strategy working. But it's pretty much all they've got.

[snowychap]

I think Miliband D is the epitome of the N'Zogbia paradox.

The farther one gets from the fight, the more people ascribe magical qualities to this one.

Edit: I would like to reiterate my utter contempt for Miliband D (and Jack Straw) - both reprehensible human beings.

Edited May 26, 2014 by snowychap

[snowychap]

I don't know, they do have a picture of him looking silly holding a banana

They could run his 'duped' on rendition shite.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

The rise of France's National Front is a greater cause for concern than the rise of UKIP. UKIP are just the nastier strains of the tories branched out. The NF represents something more sinister - a return of a genuinely far-right party in an otherwise moderate country. Although, they are more of a populist party economically these days.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

Also, well done Europe on electing a raft of hard line nationalist parties. Progress has truly been made.

[snowychap]

The rise of France's National Front is a greater cause for concern than the rise of UKIP. UKIP are just the nastier strains of the tories branched out. The NF represents something more sinister - a return of a genuinely far-right party in an otherwise moderate country. Although, they are more of a populist party economically these days.

They have come and gone a lot in the last three decades. Let's hope it's just part of that.

The worry is that the daughter is a lot more 'Mosley' than the father.

[villaajax]

The leader of the UKIP Youth has got to be in his late 30s?!

[snowychap]

Forget the UK results for a minute, exit polls suggesting the Front Nationale have topped the polls in France. If true then that is genuinely worrying given their anti-Semitic DNA.

Why is it 'genuinely worrying'? Their platform is about the EU and immigration, isn't it?

And isn't that much like the anti-EU parties in Germany, Greece, Spain and so on?

Edited May 26, 2014 by snowychap

[Rovers13]

How do people vote for a party like that? The ignorance/hate is **** astounding.

I think I just found the first positive to our two party system, no completely insane fascist third parties. And the republicans, while pretty horrible and despicable, aren't quite there.

[snowychap]

How do people vote for a party like that?

Because people vote against stuff. It's incredibly easy to get people to not like something.

[snowychap]

Split infinitive intentional.

[Rovers13]

How do people vote for a party like that?

Because people vote against stuff. It's incredibly easy to get people to not like something.

Can't, like, Frances other political parties get the voters to vote against racism?

[snowychap]

How do people vote for a party like that?

Because people vote against stuff. It's incredibly easy to get people to not like something.

Can't, like, Frances other political parties get the voters to vote against racism?

Of course others can vote for other parties and they will have done but also people either don't vote or spoil their vote.

France (as a whole) does not support Le Pen.

Edited May 26, 2014 by snowychap

[thetrees]

Nah, David is Blair-lite and the public would see that.

 

Neither of them are leadership material. Hell, there are no leaders in politics anymore, which imo is a good thing. I don't trust personalities, I trust dull people who enjoy the tedium of running a country.

So, don't you trust Ed?

He fits your profile, but his problem is that he needs to wait another 6 years before his party may be fit to govern, and that is only if Ed Balls is ousted.

But the wrong Ed will probably be ousted way before that.....

[thetrees]

The leader of the UKIP Youth has got to be in his late 30s?!

Baden Powell was 50 when he started the scouting movement.

[thetrees]

The rise of France's National Front is a greater cause for concern than the rise of UKIP. UKIP are just the nastier strains of the tories branched out. The NF represents something more sinister - a return of a genuinely far-right party in an otherwise moderate country. Although, they are more of a populist party economically these days.

Front Nationale have been 'prominent' for years, but France is not a 'moderate' country, it is a socialist country, and will always be so.

Nationalist parties like FN and BNP appeal to voters who would normally vote for socialist parties, not more moderate right wing parties.

[Awol]

Forget the UK results for a minute, exit polls suggesting the Front Nationale have topped the polls in France. If true then that is genuinely worrying given their anti-Semitic DNA.

Why is it 'genuinely worrying'? Their platform is about the EU and immigration, isn't it?

And isn't that much like the anti-EU parties in Germany, Greece, Spain and so on?

Strange that you quoted the answer to your own question before asking it, but to expand a little....

FN is an anti Semitic, national socialist party. You don't need to be an historian to twig the parallels with similar movements that have existed in Europe before, and indeed in the UK recently in the form of the BNP. Yes the FN share with UKIP a policy of EU withdrawal and controlling immigration, but then I'd imagine both parties believe water is wet. That doesn't mean they are similar in broader aims and outlook. FN are protectionist, big state socialists, instincts they share with Labour and the Greens, but those parties don't resemble the FN in any other way.

EDIT: or, in less words, what the Trees said above..

Edited May 26, 2014 by Awol

[meregreen]

The rise of France's National Front is a greater cause for concern than the rise of UKIP. UKIP are just the nastier strains of the tories branched out. The NF represents something more sinister - a return of a genuinely far-right party in an otherwise moderate country. Although, they are more of a populist party economically these days.

Front Nationale have been 'prominent' for years, but France is not a 'moderate' country, it is a socialist country, and will always be so.

Nationalist parties like FN and BNP appeal to voters who would normally vote for socialist parties, not more moderate right wing parties.

And you base these outrageous statements on which in depth study. Oh , that would be the one carried out by the school of " I think it, so it must be true".

[Kingfisher]

Beyond 'get out of Europe', beyond 'immigration control', what are UKIP's policies? On available evidence, more of the same. It's basically the euro sceptic wing of the Tory party.

Different shyster, same old shit with a more noticeable undercurrent of racism and a bit more homophobia thrown in (that's where the far right parallels are drawn).

Will UKIP offer a living wage? No. So whilst they're twitting about, arguing about some or other shit, the only party offering me a pay rise that I deserve are the Green Party - now I'll vote for that.