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Awol Grand Master

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...neo-socialist f*ckwittery associated with the EU.

I think it's pretty daft to directly associate racism with the right and an open doors immigration policy with the left.

It's either pretty daft or an example of utter ignorance.

You might want to let the BBC know... BTW the liberal left consensus includes the Cameron wing of the Tory party, it's an ideological outlook that encompasses the leadership of the 3 *cough* main parties. That's exactly why people are turning to UKIP, IMO.

Good news, Nick Griffin concedes defeat.

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Open immigration has to be the most overhyped bollockry this side of crime statistics.

 

In a similar vein, perhaps, fear of immigration far outweighs actual immigration.

 

I mean, think about it.

 

Net migration was what, 200,000?

 

There are roughly 70 million people in the UK.

 

70 MILLION!

 

200,000 is roughly **** all percent of 70 million.

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You might want to let the BBC know...

Why? What has the Beeb to do with anything?

BTW the liberal left consensus includes the Cameron wing of the Tory party...

Thanks for affirming the nebulosity.

 

Edit: Spelling mistake as per Awol's quote below. :)

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I'm very, very liberal, but looking from a distance, some of the ideas with the EU seem kinda crazy. The open immigration...specifically.

This is in no way meant to be personal (which may have to be taken on trust in the light of my post above though that wasn't meant to be personal either): In what way are you 'very, very liberal'?
I favor a very progressive tax system, I believe in social spending, universal healthcare (which in America, where I'm from, gets you labelled a socialist)

I favor affirmative action, the ERA amendment to finally be ratified, lowering of military spending and less foreign intervention.

I can't stand sales tax, or VAT, for it's inherently regressive, and am basically a Keynesian economically.

I think the banking system should be nationalized, and government regulations in general. I also oppose the new voter ID laws, and all the new, absurd Supreme Court rulings on campaign contributions.

(Looking at this, it seems a lot of these are issues specific to America, but I think you get the picture)

Also, I suppose what would be considered very liberal in America probably isn't as liberal in Europe.

Oh, and to remove doubts, my favorite global leader is rafael correa.

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Awol Grand Master

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BTW the liberal left consensus includes the Cameron wing of the Tory party...

Thanks for affirirming the nebulosity.

 

No problem, wouldn't wish to cause any discombobulation.

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(Looking at this, it seems a lot of these are issues specific to America, but I think you get the picture)

Also, I suppose what would be considered very liberal in America probably isn't as liberal in Europe.

I do get the picture and though I probably don't disagree with you on much there (I would on open borders), I'm not sure the above makes you 'very, very liberal' (fundamentally, I can't see how one could be a liberal and be in favour of restricted immigration - it would seem anathema to being liberal to me).

No problem, wouldn't wish to cause any discombobulation.

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(Looking at this, it seems a lot of these are issues specific to America, but I think you get the picture)

Also, I suppose what would be considered very liberal in America probably isn't as liberal in Europe.

I do get the picture and though I probably don't disagree with you on much there (I would on open borders), I'm not sure the above makes you 'very, very liberal' (fundamentally, I can't see how one could be a liberal and be in favour of restricted immigration - it would seem anathema to being liberal to me).

No problem, wouldn't wish to cause any discombobulation.

:D
Like I said, different standards. Universal healthcare, for instance, isn't even in the national discussion in America, while in britain, it's the opposite. (As in getting rid of it isn't in the discussion)

I would probably say the only areas I'm not liberal in is I'm not always a proponent of free trade and the restricted immigration

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Like I said, different standards. Universal healthcare, for instance, isn't even in the national discussion in America, while in britain, it's the opposite. (As in getting rid of it isn't in the discussion)

Whislt I'll give you the different standards in some areas, I think you may be mistaken about 'getting rid isn't in the discussion'. I think it is but, as is typical of most politics but British politics especially - it isn't said out loud.

I would probably say the only areas I'm not liberal in is I'm not always a proponent of free trade and the restricted immigration

And I think this makes it difficult if not impossible to be a liberal (along with free speech). I'm not saying that there's any particular problem with not being a liberal but it seems that you're 'liberal' by definition of US politics (which is leaking/has leaked over here).

I may be a little perverse but I think free speech, free association and free movement are sine qua nons (how should that be pluralized?).

Where's Ramsey when you need him?

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I'm watching the coverage on UKIP Sky News.

 

Interviewing Nick Griffin, it's pretty funny. "You're bankrupt and out of a job, what are you going to do?"

It did make me laugh. Nick Griffin is a horrible piece of scum.

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I'm watching the coverage on UKIP Sky News.

 

Interviewing Nick Griffin, it's pretty funny. "You're bankrupt and out of a job, what are you going to do?"

 

On the plus side for Nick Griffin, now he's bankrupt and unemployed that Indian guy from the credit card debt collectors now has to stop phoning him.

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So basically the results are as expected - Conservatives getting hit but not massively, Labour with moderate gains, UKIP with massive gains and Lib Dems getting wiped out. Think UKIP are taking votes from all of the main parties now, maybe not in equal measure but they certainly seem to be taking chunks out of Labour and Lib Dem support.

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