TheWalletInspector Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 He wasn't sitting next to a judge. He was sitting next to a "supervisor". The bloke who transfers the scorecards to the master sheet. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any effect on the result. Regardless, none of this changes the fact that Khan lost the fight in the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I agree all this BS is just embarrassing in my opinion. You don't get the points deducted you win, the second one is just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 He wasn't sitting next to a judge. He was sitting next to a "supervisor". The bloke who transfers the scorecards to the master sheet. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any effect on the result. Regardless, none of this changes the fact that Khan lost the fight in the ring. No evidence? Except for the fact the WBA scorecard didn't match up with the other scorecards, and the IBF one has amazingly disappeared. I'm sorry but if the guy who he's sitting next to, the WBA official for the fight, admitted that his scorecard didn't match the others, then it's safe to say that he DID have an effect on something. Whether Khan lost the fight in the ring or not is irrelevant to the fact that this guy shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been talking to ANYONE on that table, and that the rules of the sport state that if ANYONE interferes with the judges or officials during a fight (and from the video it's clear that he did) the fight should be ruled a no contest. I don't like Khan, I think he threw the fight away, but I like to think boxing should have some integrity. And that means doing the right thing and following the rules of the sport, and calling the fight a no contest unless there's somehow some miraculously credible explanation for why an IBF official who wasn't there on official duty, was interfering with the WBA official to the point where the WBA official's card didn't match the others (be that because of the direct actions of this guy, or just from the distraction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalletInspector Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 He wasn't sitting next to a judge. He was sitting next to a "supervisor". The bloke who transfers the scorecards to the master sheet. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any effect on the result. Regardless, none of this changes the fact that Khan lost the fight in the ring. No evidence? Except for the fact the WBA scorecard didn't match up with the other scorecards, and the IBF one has amazingly disappeared. I'm sorry but if the guy who he's sitting next to, the WBA official for the fight, admitted that his scorecard didn't match the others, then it's safe to say that he DID have an effect on something. Whether Khan lost the fight in the ring or not is irrelevant to the fact that this guy shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been talking to ANYONE on that table, and that the rules of the sport state that if ANYONE interferes with the judges or officials during a fight (and from the video it's clear that he did) the fight should be ruled a no contest. I don't like Khan, I think he threw the fight away, but I like to think boxing should have some integrity. And that means doing the right thing and following the rules of the sport, and calling the fight a no contest unless there's somehow some miraculously credible explanation for why an IBF official who wasn't there on official duty, was interfering with the WBA official to the point where the WBA official's card didn't match the others (be that because of the direct actions of this guy, or just from the distraction). Where has this come from about the scorecards not matching up? As far as I can see Khan's camp aren't even claiming. How did Khan throw the fight away? I don't think it should be called a NC. If it is proved that HatMan did some serious wrongdoing and had an effect on the outcome, i.e. the scorecards were announced wrong, then sure. But until that point, why should Peterson lose his titles? It looks like Peterson is going down the Top Rank route anyway, so it's more likely we'll see him fight Pac or Bradley again, than a Khan rematch at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 He wasn't sitting next to a judge. He was sitting next to a "supervisor". The bloke who transfers the scorecards to the master sheet. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any effect on the result. Regardless, none of this changes the fact that Khan lost the fight in the ring. No evidence? Except for the fact the WBA scorecard didn't match up with the other scorecards, and the IBF one has amazingly disappeared. I'm sorry but if the guy who he's sitting next to, the WBA official for the fight, admitted that his scorecard didn't match the others, then it's safe to say that he DID have an effect on something. Whether Khan lost the fight in the ring or not is irrelevant to the fact that this guy shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been talking to ANYONE on that table, and that the rules of the sport state that if ANYONE interferes with the judges or officials during a fight (and from the video it's clear that he did) the fight should be ruled a no contest. I don't like Khan, I think he threw the fight away, but I like to think boxing should have some integrity. And that means doing the right thing and following the rules of the sport, and calling the fight a no contest unless there's somehow some miraculously credible explanation for why an IBF official who wasn't there on official duty, was interfering with the WBA official to the point where the WBA official's card didn't match the others (be that because of the direct actions of this guy, or just from the distraction). Where has this come from about the scorecards not matching up? As far as I can see Khan's camp aren't even claiming. How did Khan throw the fight away? I don't think it should be called a NC. If it is proved that HatMan did some serious wrongdoing and had an effect on the outcome, i.e. the scorecards were announced wrong, then sure. But until that point, why should Peterson lose his titles? It looks like Peterson is going down the Top Rank route anyway, so it's more likely we'll see him fight Pac or Bradley again, than a Khan rematch at this stage. Richard Schaefer was claiming it not long after the fight, (there's plenty of articles saying it from the middle of december) Khan has stated it on twitter, and it's on every article about the controversy. If you haven't seen the claim that the scorecards didn't match up you can't have read much into it. Khan threw the fight away by not fighting. When he fought he won rounds, when he didn't he lost them. He didn't need to push off all the time, he did, he threw the fight away. You say why should Peterson lose his titles, but why shouldn't the rules of the sport be enforced? Boxing is already seen as being corrupt as hell, if the very rules that are meant to ensure the judging of a fight isn't interfered with aren't enforced then surely that just goes to show that it has not intention of shedding that stigma? Sure it might suck for Peterson, but that's just the way it has to be. The rules are there for a reason, and from the looks of it the rules were clearly broken. What's the point of having them if they're not enforced? No contest and a mandatory rematch is the only way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalletInspector Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 He wasn't sitting next to a judge. He was sitting next to a "supervisor". The bloke who transfers the scorecards to the master sheet. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any effect on the result. Regardless, none of this changes the fact that Khan lost the fight in the ring. No evidence? Except for the fact the WBA scorecard didn't match up with the other scorecards, and the IBF one has amazingly disappeared. I'm sorry but if the guy who he's sitting next to, the WBA official for the fight, admitted that his scorecard didn't match the others, then it's safe to say that he DID have an effect on something. Whether Khan lost the fight in the ring or not is irrelevant to the fact that this guy shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been talking to ANYONE on that table, and that the rules of the sport state that if ANYONE interferes with the judges or officials during a fight (and from the video it's clear that he did) the fight should be ruled a no contest. I don't like Khan, I think he threw the fight away, but I like to think boxing should have some integrity. And that means doing the right thing and following the rules of the sport, and calling the fight a no contest unless there's somehow some miraculously credible explanation for why an IBF official who wasn't there on official duty, was interfering with the WBA official to the point where the WBA official's card didn't match the others (be that because of the direct actions of this guy, or just from the distraction). Where has this come from about the scorecards not matching up? As far as I can see Khan's camp aren't even claiming. How did Khan throw the fight away? I don't think it should be called a NC. If it is proved that HatMan did some serious wrongdoing and had an effect on the outcome, i.e. the scorecards were announced wrong, then sure. But until that point, why should Peterson lose his titles? It looks like Peterson is going down the Top Rank route anyway, so it's more likely we'll see him fight Pac or Bradley again, than a Khan rematch at this stage. Richard Schaefer was claiming it not long after the fight, (there's plenty of articles saying it from the middle of december) Khan has stated it on twitter, and it's on every article about the controversy. If you haven't seen the claim that the scorecards didn't match up you can't have read much into it. Khan threw the fight away by not fighting. When he fought he won rounds, when he didn't he lost them. He didn't need to push off all the time, he did, he threw the fight away. You say why should Peterson lose his titles, but why shouldn't the rules of the sport be enforced? Boxing is already seen as being corrupt as hell, if the very rules that are meant to ensure the judging of a fight isn't interfered with aren't enforced then surely that just goes to show that it has not intention of shedding that stigma? Sure it might suck for Peterson, but that's just the way it has to be. The rules are there for a reason, and from the looks of it the rules were clearly broken. What's the point of having them if they're not enforced? No contest and a mandatory rematch is the only way to do it. I saw them making claims like that in the week after the fight but nothing recently, such as since Hatman's involvement was spotted. I've tried not to read into it too much because I find the whole farce fairly boring to be honest. I also don't have much trust for the noise coming out of Khan's camp. If it is proved that Hatman had an effect in changing the result of the fight - which seems unlikely - then sure they should ammend the result then, but currently there is no evidence that I can see that his presense changed the result of the fight. There have been far, far bigger injustices in the past year than this. I don't agree on Khan throwing the fight away. He was pushing because he had no answer to Peterson's inside work. If he hadn't pushed him off Lamont would have been on his chest all night and would have won much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/(etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalletInspector Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 And in the world of fights that are really happening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Del Boy! I think he will get beat, which will put him on three defeats in four which in turn will make him look worse than he actually is. I can kinda see why he wasnt up for the Fury fight, the disappointments of the two cancellations vs Wlad clearly got to him and as he had been in the gym non stop for six months then he was probably sick to death of training. Schoolboy error though because I think Chisora beats Fury if they are both at 100%. He was absolutely robbed in Finland, but I think Vitali has too much class. Do you think Chisora will still be able to fight against top ten ranked opponents after this if he loses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Biggest robbery I've seen in a ring was his fight in Finland, and it's Khan moaning like a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Roy Jones jr vs Park Si Hun is the worst I have ever seen. If you can find a video of the fight, watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalletInspector Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Del Boy! I think he will get beat, which will put him on three defeats in four which in turn will make him look worse than he actually is. I can kinda see why he wasnt up for the Fury fight, the disappointments of the two cancellations vs Wlad clearly got to him and as he had been in the gym non stop for six months then he was probably sick to death of training. Schoolboy error though because I think Chisora beats Fury if they are both at 100%. He was absolutely robbed in Finland, but I think Vitali has too much class. Do you think Chisora will still be able to fight against top ten ranked opponents after this if he loses? One of the problems with this heavyweight division, other than the fact that it's filled with poor fighters, is that the top 10 fighters rarely fight each other. They just pad their records until they get the Klitschko pay check. There are some good fights to be made - if he doesn't win - against the likes of Price and Fury. What I worry about is that if things aren't going his way against Vitali he could be on the end of a nasty beating, so it was encouraging to hear him saying this week that he would rather be pulled out than end up in hospital like Briggs did. I personally think he will do quite well. I'm not saying he's going to win, but I think he will be competitive and has his moments. Which is more than can be said for most recent opponents. Either way, the build up should be fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villa4europe Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 i take it lets make history means lets get filthy **** rich im still not convinced it will happen, if he really wants this fight will he then split the pot and not ask for the tests that he did previously? if all he is doing is building up the hype only to then make the same demands that saw it collapse last time then he's a dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The guy interfering with the judges in the Khan fight isn't even an IBF official. Time to call it a no contest. Sucks for Peterson but that's what the rules call for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalletInspector Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 i take it lets make history means lets get filthy **** rich im still not convinced it will happen, if he really wants this fight will he then split the pot and not ask for the tests that he did previously? if all he is doing is building up the hype only to then make the same demands that saw it collapse last time then he's a dick I don't think it will happen. It's clear Arum isn't interested, that's probably why Floyd is piping up now. The guy interfering with the judges in the Khan fight isn't even an IBF official. Time to call it a no contest. Sucks for Peterson but that's what the rules call for. Despite there being no evidence that he affected the result? I'm pretty sure the Fan Man was a distraction to the officials but that's no cause to make that a NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 The guy interfering with the judges in the Khan fight isn't even an IBF official. Time to call it a no contest. Sucks for Peterson but that's what the rules call for. Despite there being no evidence that he affected the result? I'm pretty sure the Fan Man was a distraction to the officials but that's no cause to make that a NC. Things that were against the rules: 1) Random guy with no credentials sitting at the top table 2) Said random guy talking to the officials 3) Said random guy handling scorecards Any one of them is grounds for a no contest. All 3 of them together, when coupled with the fact Welsh's card (the guy who he was sitting next to, leaning all over and handling the scorecards with) didn't match the others? You really think that that should just be shrugged off with a "can't say he affected the result!"? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Rules were seriously broken, the penalties should come into play, anything but a no contest and boxing is an even bigger joke than I thought it was. You might not like Khan (I don't) but that doesn't mean that the regulations shouldn't be followed. What's the point in having them if they aren't followed through with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalletInspector Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 The guy interfering with the judges in the Khan fight isn't even an IBF official. Time to call it a no contest. Sucks for Peterson but that's what the rules call for. Despite there being no evidence that he affected the result? I'm pretty sure the Fan Man was a distraction to the officials but that's no cause to make that a NC. Things that were against the rules: 1) Random guy with no credentials sitting at the top table 2) Said random guy talking to the officials 3) Said random guy handling scorecards Any one of them is grounds for a no contest. All 3 of them together, when coupled with the fact Welsh's card (the guy who he was sitting next to, leaning all over and handling the scorecards with) didn't match the others? You really think that that should just be shrugged off with a "can't say he affected the result!"? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Rules were seriously broken, the penalties should come into play, anything but a no contest and boxing is an even bigger joke than I thought it was. You might not like Khan (I don't) but that doesn't mean that the regulations shouldn't be followed. What's the point in having them if they aren't followed through with? Yes it's wrong, and it's something that should certainly be prevented in the future. That doesn't change the fact that Golden Boy accepted in a meeting after the fight after seeing the scorecards involved that the correct decision was announced. So what was the effect of Hatman's actions which warrants revoking Peterson's win? If Hatman had been sitting next to a judge and doing those things I'd be all for taking action, but a supervisor? Not for me. All shall be revealed after the IBF hearing next week anyway. I suspect a rematch will be ordered with the win standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 That doesn't change the fact that Golden Boy accepted in a meeting after the fight after seeing the scorecards involved that the correct decision was announced. Source on that? All I've read is Schaefer constantly going on about how the score cards didn't match, that the IBF one disappeared for a while, only to turn up looking dodgy as hell in being the neatest scorecard he'd ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalletInspector Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 That doesn't change the fact that Golden Boy accepted in a meeting after the fight after seeing the scorecards involved that the correct decision was announced. Source on that? All I've read is Schaefer constantly going on about how the score cards didn't match, that the IBF one disappeared for a while, only to turn up looking dodgy as hell in being the neatest scorecard he'd ever seen. I can't remember where I read it initially. I'm sure I read it first in the days after the fight, but Barry Hunter said it in his statement this week as well: "Immediately following our bout Golden Boy and Khan requested a meeting among us with the sanctioning organizations and the Boxing Commission. When we left the meeting Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins and I agreed with the commission that the scorecards were correct and Lamont won the fight." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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