maqroll Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Be afraid. Be very afraid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted February 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2023 7 hours ago, maqroll said: Be afraid. Be very afraid. Paywall remover if anyone wants to read: https://www.removepaywall.com/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-microsoft-chatgpt.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2023 Weird. I was genuinely planning to start a thread about AI today. Maybe it's just that I'm old, but what with this and deepfake image/video manipulation, it's starting to feel scarily dystopian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I think a lot of the dystopian stuff is mostly sleight of hand or a willing audience… or just bad behaviour from human actors using AI tools in shitty ways. I don’t think AI itself tends towards dystopian outcomes. The fact you can generate things that look like human dialogue doesn’t mean we are much closer to humanoid AI. It’s just another step along from beating Garry Kasparov at chess. It wows and disturbs everyone for a while and then people learn how to use it, and it becomes part of everyday life for better or worse. We’re still nowhere near so-called AGI (artificial general intelligence). What’s happening is hyperspecialised statistical / machine learning models are being built that are very good at specific pattern matching or pattern generation tasks (object recognition, generating images, translating language, etc) but nobody has really progressed anything that can actually analyse concepts across different domains like humans do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Knowing that AI can write essays, reports and contracts, has made me wonder whether it will lead to a cull of white-collar jobs. The fact that the same sort of predictions have been made about numerous technological advances in history, invites scepticism. The claim that it is not quite there yet, seems to suggest it is rather further off than the headlines suggest. What ever is promised, always seems to be just over the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Bit of a challenge for schools apparently who now have to find ways to filter out tests and papers who are written by AI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) The demand for AI keeps growing and growing. Those annoying chatbots when you want to log an issue with your broadband provider? There's now a chatbot for voice calls too. Over the last few years I've increasingly rolled out more chatbots for WebChat, Email, and WhatsApp into various contact centers. The technology is now there for voice, and companies are embracing it. Soon it really will be impossible to speak to a real person when dealing with your day to day issues. Edited February 17, 2023 by Jonesy7211 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted February 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, KentVillan said: We’re still nowhere near so-called AGI (artificial general intelligence). What’s happening is hyperspecialised statistical / machine learning models are being built Remember this line folks, AI is the scary word for clicky-baits. We are still very much in the Machine Learning stage and probably will be for a long time. That said, duping/faking/trolling/manipulating is, and will be a big problem going forward. People get tricked by just text. Imagine what a very convincing deepfake video will do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 17, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Knowing that AI can write essays, reports and contracts, has made me wonder whether it will lead to a cull of white-collar jobs. The fact that the same sort of predictions have been made about numerous technological advances in history, invites scepticism. The claim that it is not quite there yet, seems to suggest it is rather further off than the headlines suggest. What ever is promised, always seems to be just over the horizon. Create and destroy seems to be the path, doesn’t it? It’ll change the nature of jobs, in other words, I reckon. There must be (currently) a lot of copy and paste work in contracts, with then fettling particular to the precise nature of a deal. That’ll still be needed. The copy and paste people’s jobs might go, but more code monkeys employed, more people making processors… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted February 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, blandy said: There must be (currently) a lot of copy and paste work This is what it can do on the fly for a podcast sponsor-spot (1h 32 minutes in if the timestamp link doesn't work) https://youtu.be/AxAAJnp5yms?list=PL8mG-RkN2uTw7PhlnAr4pZZz2QubIbujH&t=5517 Edited February 17, 2023 by Tegis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 On that note, maybe this is the way for those who have lost faith in G.R.R Martin ever finishing GOT. And as I write that they bring it up in the LTT video above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 17, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tegis said: This is what it can do on the fly for a podcast sponsor-spot (1h 32 minutes in if the timestamp link doesn't work) https://youtu.be/AxAAJnp5yms?list=PL8mG-RkN2uTw7PhlnAr4pZZz2QubIbujH&t=5517 I’ve heard loads of squarespace ads over the years. The AI one seems to use exactly the same phrases already written specifically for squarespace by humans. So surely that’s not the smart bit. It’s like I said copy and paste. The smart bit would be coming up with new ones that gain approval of Squarespace execs at a pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted February 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Knowing that AI can write essays, reports and contracts, has made me wonder whether it will lead to a cull of white-collar jobs. At the moment, in my experience, it's still necessary to have someone to guide the AI to write content that, well, doesn't look like it's been written by AI. A so-called "AI pilot". As of now, AI is helping us create more content, quicker, about topics we aren't really familiar with. But it still needs human input otherwise it will just look crap / be factually incorrect. That will likely change soon enough though, and the AI will learn to how to produce non-AI-looking content. Luckily (for me) there are still other, more important, aspects of my job that it's hard to imagine becoming automated any time soon. Edited February 17, 2023 by fightoffyour 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 It will certainly be a big help in contextualised searches. I am looking forward to Bing powered by OpenAI. Asking to find document A and document B and comparison. Saves humans lots of time finding information. The media can sell clicks by pumping the dystopian narrative, in the End Skynet will be born. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted February 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, blandy said: I’ve heard loads of squarespace ads over the years. The AI one seems to use exactly the same phrases already written specifically for squarespace by humans. So surely that’s not the smart bit. It’s like I said copy and paste. The smart bit would be coming up with new ones that gain approval of Squarespace execs at a pitch? Yep, very true. Saw this with the missus interaction with it as a "DnD Game master". Which is the point is guess with us being in the Machine Learning stage and not AI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Also worth noting that journalists and LinkedIn influencers are deliberately trying to find weird / scary / novel stuff to hype up and generate engagement. There’s lots of very cool stuff you can do, eg massively speeding up programming tasks, or summarising a huge pile of documents into something digestible. AI won’t replace white collar work, it will just change it, and change the type of person / personality who does well in the economy. In the same way that cars, washing machines and computers didn’t end work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, sne said: Bit of a challenge for schools apparently who now have to find ways to filter out tests and papers who are written by AI Just need to do the tests in room though. Also if a free AI can do something for you while you're in school, should you need to be tested on it? When you're in workplace years later nobody is going to ask you to do a task AI can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Just think of how useful AI would be in medicine? The trying to get a GP appointment. It'll improve the productivity and efficiency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 17, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2023 Maybe I would say this, wouldn’t I, but maybe people whose jobs involve stuff like systems engineering, systems integration, that kind of stuff, will actually see more work, more jobs. Because machines will never be able to do that stuff, yet it is absolutely essential in order to get things to work together and to test and prove that they do. So, like, I need an entity which will (say) observe something, identify what it is and then tell something or someone “look what I found, what do you want me to do? Then take that decision given to it and do the thing. Someone is going to have to specify what kind of Camera or radar, what its interface needs to be, specify a computer and its interface, specify a link to the “something or someone”, specify the effector, write a test procedure to test it all does what it should, test it doesn’t do things it shouldn’t, test its accuracy and no/ number of “false positives” and blah blah blah. Anything that requires cross domain knowledge and working and experience is going to be more valuable and need more people to do it. This might be a lack of imagination on my part, but I can’t see machines or AI ever doing those jobs. Even if they could, it’s going to need those jobs to move to work to make it possible for the machines to do it. To police the police, so to speak. TL:DR. I’m alright Jack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2023 OK, I'm just an old man. Everything is just fine. As you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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