OutByEaster? Posted January 19, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 19, 2023 Much better. Now the Spurs/Chelsea/Liverpool flapfest can continue. None of them in the Champions league this season, Arsenal young and good, Citeh and United a big obstacle and Newcastle with all the money in the world to strengthen. Those three might be out of the top four for years. [sniggers] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said: Much better. Now the Spurs/Chelsea/Liverpool flapfest can continue. None of them in the Champions league this season, Arsenal young and good, Citeh and United a big obstacle and Newcastle with all the money in the world to strengthen. Those three might be out of the top four for years. [sniggers] That just makes it even harder for us to even get into the Europa League now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 19, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Keyblade said: That just makes it even harder for us to even get into the Europa League now I don't think so - three years without Champions league money for most of those three and they start to downsize. The sponsorships get smaller, the debt for the stadium at Spurs becomes more of a problem, the TV money shrinks hugely, Chelsea's big spend becomes a wage issue - they wouldn't be the same as they have been in the big six of the last few years, at least one would be dropping down a tier, sinking to a depth where we can take a big bite out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Don't generally look on other forums, but gonna have a peak at Tottenhams after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Really impressed by the maturity of Rico Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, villa89 said: Why he's made a fortune out of being a very poor goalkeeper. Even won a world cup. He's living a charmed life. He was born into a charmed life. Never needed football for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 57 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't think so - three years without Champions league money for most of those three and they start to downsize. The sponsorships get smaller, the debt for the stadium at Spurs becomes more of a problem, the TV money shrinks hugely, Chelsea's big spend becomes a wage issue - they wouldn't be the same as they have been in the big six of the last few years, at least one would be dropping down a tier, sinking to a depth where we can take a big bite out of them. Nah The liklihood over that happening paired with us overtaking them is slim, their head start is too great They'll just go get a new bike helmet partner for the same value as our main shirt sponsor Newcastles surge up the table and no doubt fiddling of the books is about to reset the market in terms of benchmarks, they've already done the sleeve sponsor, the rest will follow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 19, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, villa4europe said: They'll just go get a new bike helmet partner for the same value as our main shirt sponsor Why would the bike helmet partner want to pay the same money for a team that finishes sixth or seventh as they would for a club that would put their brand into the Champions league? It's sponsorship they worry most about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, OutByEaster? said: Why would the bike helmet partner want to pay the same money for a team that finishes sixth or seventh as they would for a club that would put their brand into the Champions league? It's sponsorship they worry most about. Because the drop off of fans and exposure is miles behind the performance, as utd show They can also always go out and get the older superstar that will bring fans in with him With the current set up we won't catch their turnover within a decade of us being better than them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 If you want another example that's non villa and non Chelsea or man utd that kind of sized club Compare Leicester to spurs, everything they've done in the last 10 years, the things they've won, the CL they've played, their turnover is half that of spurs Don't forget as well there's a new more lucrative form of the CL coming and the fifa club thing which the likes of Chelsea as a CL winner last year will be invited to Its going to get worse not better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 19, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Because the drop off of fans and exposure is miles behind the performance, as utd show They can also always go out and get the older superstar that will bring fans in with him With the current set up we won't catch their turnover within a decade of us being better than them I think Spurs in particular could collapse a lot quicker than that. No Champions league for the next three seasons would cost them a fortune at a time when their debt is substantial, they need a new manager and their squad is unbalanced, when it comes time for AIA to renew that shirt sponsorship, I would imagine they'd be offering a lot less than the £40m a season Spurs get now for a club that are no longer in the same sporting position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't think so - three years without Champions league money for most of those three and they start to downsize. The sponsorships get smaller, the debt for the stadium at Spurs becomes more of a problem, the TV money shrinks hugely, Chelsea's big spend becomes a wage issue - they wouldn't be the same as they have been in the big six of the last few years, at least one would be dropping down a tier, sinking to a depth where we can take a big bite out of them. Arsenal haven't played in the champions league since 2017 and they have still been spunking money like nobody's business. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Just now, OutByEaster? said: I think Spurs in particular could collapse a lot quicker than that. No Champions league for the next three seasons would cost them a fortune at a time when their debt is substantial, they need a new manager and their squad is unbalanced, when it comes time for AIA to renew that shirt sponsorship, I would imagine they'd be offering a lot less than the £40m a season Spurs get now for a club that are no longer in the same sporting position. But that's what I mean, if spurs lost the CL and the £60-100m it would bring for the next season or 2 as an instant impact their turnover would still be close to double that of ours, then long term 5 years+ the sponsors walk away, maybe most importantly son walks away, the growth in America stops, spurs in the next 5 to 10 years get all of that wrong...whats the liklihood of a club naturally growing and stepping in to that gap? It'd incredibly slim, so much is weighted in favour of spurs How bad must spurs be and how good must villa be for our kit deals to reach the same level? Bearing in mind they've got a 15 year deal with Nike at £30m a year whereas we're somewhere around £7m or £8m?? Its not happening, not naturally anyway, what Newcastle are about to do is the only way, FFP and the CL money has killed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Arsenal haven't played in the champions league since 2017 and they have still been spunking money like nobody's business. The drop off in turnover between arsenal in 6th and Everton in 7th is around £200m, its near double That's the size of the advantage the top 6 have made for themselves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: The drop off in turnover between arsenal in 6th and Everton in 7th is around £200m, its near double That's the size of the advantage the top 6 have made for themselves One of the reasons why Everton are leaving Goodison. Unfortunately they could finally have a modern money making stadium whilst playing in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Arsenal haven't played in the champions league since 2017 and they have still been spunking money like nobody's business. Leicester have finished above them in three of the past 7 seasons so that's the sort of ratio we need to be looking at. Given what we're building now and with quality of manager we have to be seeing 6th-7th as realistic finishes so one of the big hitters should be in range as they can't all finish top 4 now. Get out of jail free card though that got lost in hubris of Super league is the CL expansion and two of "elite" teams who miss out will still get in based on historical records so Chelsea is example of team who could finish 6th and still qualify given premier league co-efficient remains very strong. Let's just try and get qualifying for europe again regularly and try to build from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) Edited January 20, 2023 by BleedClaretAndBlue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Great comeback by City to be fair, Mahrez was the difference and showed up Jack's lack of end product. That's the type of win that could galvanise them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, VillaChris said: Leicester have finished above them in three of the past 7 seasons so that's the sort of ratio we need to be looking at. But that's what I mean, Leicester have won the league, finished above arsenal, played CL, won the Cup too but they've not even started to catch arsenal, their turnover is half theirs, their sponsorship deals and partners don't lay a glove on them As a result 5 years later arsenal can sort themselves out and pull away The chance of a big 6 team sorting their shit out is far higher than the chance of one of the other 14 maintaining a decade of being competitive Chelsea can have a few years off and bounce back without a care, we can't Edited January 20, 2023 by villa4europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: But that's what I mean, Leicester have won the league, finished above arsenal, played CL, won the Cup too but they've not even started to catch arsenal, their turnover is half theirs, their sponsorship deals and partners don't lay a glove on them As a result 5 years later arsenal can sort themselves out and pull away The chance of a big 6 team sorting their shit out is far higher than the chance of one of the other 14 maintaining a decade of being competitive Chelsea can have a few years off and bounce back without a care, we can't It's not realistic to catch these up long term but you can still have fun and some good seasons if you build yourselves up properly. We haven't finished above Arsenal since 1996, Chelsea the year later and think Spurs now since 2009 so we need to put that right in the coming seasons as way premier league is shaping they'll always be a big club in crisis in 6th/7th and on verge of sacking their manager as Spurs and possibly Chelsea are. West Ham finished 6th in 20/21 above Arsenal and Spurs. That pushed them on the next season where they made SF of europa. Imagine the excitement on here if we played a two legged europa SF? We're miles off that given we last played a european match of any sort in August 2010 so overachieving league finishes can lead to progress in other areas for 2-3 years before we need to start rebuilding again. I doubt Emery at Villareal cared they couldn't match the financial muscle of the Madrids and Barca. He was too busy making history winning their first major trophy so that's the ambition we need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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