Peter Griffin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, Django_Zooms said: Please oh please can they keep up this standard of refereeing all season? No fouls awarded for dives and even a yellow for Xhaka simulating. No yellow for Jesus saying fook you to the ref either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, Peter Griffin said: Yeah, I stand on the innocent until proven guilty side. If u want to judge people on what you read on social media then that is your call. I use a little more critical thinking to that Good for you. Recommend you do a bit of research into rape litigation and how hard it is to prove that a perpetrator is anything other than innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, Django_Zooms said: Please oh please can they keep up this standard of refereeing all season? No fouls awarded for dives and even a yellow for Xhaka simulating. 1) he’s not giving blatant fouls 2) it won’t be consistent. It’ll be biased towards the top teams. Especially city who are incredibly snidey and cynical with their constant fouling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, a m ole said: Critical thinking? Like nudge nudge wink wink how much does he earn? That isn't critical thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Zaha doesn't get the free kick. Straight up goes after the Arsenal defender and tries to take him out. Is there a more loathsome petulant odious footballer playing right now? An absolute horrible piece of shit. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, est1874 said: I think we should end this conversation here, as you're making it fairly clear where you stand on such matters, and I can only vehemently disagree with your perspective. Do we really want a system where people are presumed guilty and have to step out of society until they have proven their innocence, every time an accusation is made against them? That’s not how this should work. If the guy is guilty he deserves every punishment the law allows but until then his name should remain secret and he should be able to continue his life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, est1874 said: Good for you. Recommend you do a bit of research into rape litigation and how hard it is to prove that a perpetrator is anything other than innocent. Yeah it is good for me and it has nothing to do with my understanding of rape litigation. I even posted earlier that I DO NOT KNOW if he is guilty or not and you choose to ignore this and still try and suggest where I stand on this, just demonstrating your lack of critical thinking. Try removing the bias and social media and using your brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: That isn't critical thinking. I know, but it’s what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I hate Zaha, nowhere near as good as he thinks he is. Always thinks he has more time than he has. It must be so frustrating to play in his team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Do we really want a system where people are presumed guilty and have to step out of society until they have proven their innocence, every time an accusation is made against them? That’s not how this should work. If the guy is guilty he deserves every punishment the law allows but until then his name should remain secret and he should be able to continue his life. But if Twitter says he is guilty he must be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, Peter Griffin said: But if Twitter says he is guilty he must be You don’t get it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, a m ole said: I know, but it’s what you said. It is not what I said. Stop making things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 The play acting is driving me mad already, Ayew lying motionless when his team had the ball in the final third. They had to kick it out and then he immediately got up. So annoying. It should be bookable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Accusers have a lot more to gain when the alleged perpetrator is a PL footballer earning over 10m a year. 2 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: It is not what I said. Stop making things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Let’s not ruin the football thread with this talk of alleged off the field crimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, Genie said: Let’s not ruin the football thread with this talk of alleged off the field crimes Alleged talk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: In rage inducing news over here in the USA Peacock has decided not to stream this live on their service have to wait till 6am tomorrow to watch the replay. So why am I paying you Peacock? Because it's on the USA Network and not Peacock. Peacock+ only shows the games NBC doesn't play live on one of its networks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, est1874 said: Good for you. Recommend you do a bit of research into rape litigation and how hard it is to prove that a perpetrator is anything other than innocent. Just think though, it would be equally difficult for a person to prove their innocence if the burden of proof was the other way around. For me I think it is right that people are considered innocent unless convicted of a crime. It would be messed up if people were considered guilty until they can demonstrate they are innocent every time someone is accused of a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, LondonLax said: Do we really want a system where people are presumed guilty and have to step out of society until they have proven their innocence, every time an accusation is made against them? That’s not how this should work. If the guy is guilty he deserves every punishment the law allows but until then his name should remain secret and he should be able to continue his life. Okay, you're a prosecuting lawyer. How do you propose convincing a judge and/or jury of your peers that a man who says sex with his accuser was consensual is in fact guilty of something non-consensual? There is no proof otherwise, unless you basically have footage. You can't use forensics because in the vast majority of cases, these don't help and are consistent with everyday sex acts. It boils down to a defendant's word against his accuser's, in which case - with infinitely more money at his disposal - a multi-millionaire will always walk free, thanks to high-profile and highly-paid counsel, injunctions etc. Doesn't matter if he's guilty or not, he will walk 9 times out of 10. For this reason, high profile rape 'cases' (accusations) are disproportionately not brought to court or prosecuted any further than the media / social media. Innocent until proven guilty, until that maxim fails all victims everywhere, in which case we need something a bit smarter and fairer. It's a mire and a minefield but these multimillionaires don't need you standing up to defend them, the system is already tilted in their favour and they have plenty of lawyers doing that for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: But if Twitter says he is guilty he must be You're missing plenty (wittingly or otherwise) if that's what you think this boils down to. Smfh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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