Tom13 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 49 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: What about Suso? Smith knew nothing about DL until he was mentioned and I'm not sure he would've been responsible for Martinez initially either. I think sometimes it's easy to forget the individuals that get the players in that have transformed the club, Lange included. It shows imo the greatest signing will always be the manager because with him players never flourish. Yeah well whoever was responsible for finding/signing that group then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 44 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I find it crazy that posters see DL as dispensable and pick out others that aren't. POTS last year, in the mix for it this year. Probably our most missed player when he's not on the pitch, but yeah, lets sell him. 100% - bizarre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 43 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I find it crazy that posters see DL as dispensable and pick out others that aren't. POTS last year, in the mix for it this year. Probably our most missed player when he's not on the pitch, but yeah, lets sell him. Definitely don't want to sell him, love the guy and his ability, but Kamara is the better player. That's no slight on Dougie, Kamara's just borderline elite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 No player is indispensable.Top teams have sold top players continuously. It’s using the money wisely that’s the tough bit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Jareth said: He's Brazilian. If he gets offers that are right for the club, that he also fancies, he's not going to say hey wait a sec, what about Birmingham! Okay mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 15 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Definitely don't want to sell him, love the guy and his ability, but Kamara is the better player. That's no slight on Dougie, Kamara's just borderline elite. I think Dougie is borderline elite. I’m guessing many others do considering the speculative fee would have to be above £100m from villa and non-villa fans I’ve listened to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, meregreen said: No player is indispensable.Top teams have sold top players continuously. It’s using the money wisely that’s the tough bit. I think that neither are truly elite. But together they are an elite midfield. Which is all that matters in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 24 minutes ago, meregreen said: No player is indispensable.Top teams have sold top players continuously. It’s using the money wisely that’s the tough bit. I CANT BELEIVE YOURE WELLING LUIZ TO MAB UTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 hours ago, Jareth said: I know it'd be a blow to lose him but of everyone in our current set-up he's the one I think most likely to want a move, probably the most in demand and therefore the most money we'd likely get from a player sale. It's only been since Emery came in that he's any reason to stay, he honestly has no serious attachment to Birmingham other than as a place of work, and if an offer near £100m came in, with 2 years left on his contract, then I think it'd work for everyone, as we know for certain we have the right people to find his replacement. It would make us stronger in the long run I am sure. I'm not sure, I really understand that.....How many people have moved to places, through work, and fell in love with the environment....its one of the main things that have changed the demographics of this country...work related movement. No disrepect to Birmingham, I was born there, but the rural area's around Brum, are very attractive....he only probably travels to the city on match days, and the odd occasions for the shops....his time will be in the sticks. Many players over the years who have joined Villa, have actually settled in the area, after finishing football. I can't see anything making us stronger, than having players, who love to be with us....He says he is happy here, why disbelieve him. How many mercenaries, who go to the middle east, for the gold rush, are having second thoughts. That won't be lost on guys like Dougie.....He has the South American boys to socialise with, with their families, which must be a real plus....He feels at Home. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 No one is saying he's dispensable. But we have to think of the longevity of the Villa club in general. We literally made this same mistake in the MON years and severely paid the price in underwhelming transfers of Barry (14M), Milner (22M), Young (18M), and Delph (11.5M). Nowhere near their highest valuations and than as a result, we had some horrible late transfers in because we didn't get the timing right (Ireland, N'Zogbia, etc). Securing that future planning and not being held hostage to a player forcing a move is key for the longevity of the club. He is our POTS, one of our great players, and we struggle to get going creatively without him. But 100M is nothing to sneeze at. And again - if you look at that list of 100M players and if someone is willing to pay for it? Yeah, it's going to be a good deal for Villa and that is despite of how good Luiz is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, nick76 said: Yeah he has likely built friends here, his girlfriend lives and works here, he’s grown here over the last however many years. As somebody who’s lived in other countries I have a very strong connection to those places I’ve lived for many reasons. It’s also why so many foreign footballers end up staying close to the area after they finish playing for whatever football team they played for. Yes loads move or go back to their home country but many stay around. Well Said Nick. I think we as supporters, sometimes over look, the importance of these boys settling and integrating......The spanish contingency will obviously help, with making them all feel at home. I also feel for players like Jhon Duran who is, young and unmarried, and its hard for them, not to be bored....these boys can be lonely, and I would imagine very few fans would get that....but I have seen it first hand. I had Andy Grays mom hug me emotionally, saying she was so happy, he had met a group of lads, to look after him, socially, along with Bobby McDonald and Jake Findlay, when he first came down from Scotland( he was 19).......These boys can easily go astray, without the right social group around them. I am not privvy, to the modern arrangements, but don't think, loneliness is alien to them, its not. back to Dougie, I would imagine. he's gone through all that, and well established, socially now....why give it up?, unless a place is toxic......and we certainly are not. Edited January 18 by TRO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, TRO said: back to Dougie, I would imagine. he's gone through all that, and well established, socially now....why give it up?, unless a place is toxic......and we certainly are not. Plus we are on the same points as second in the league. We are on the up, it must be a great time to be a player at this club at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, nick76 said: Plus we are on the same points as second in the league. We are on the up, it must be a great time to be a player at this club at the moment. Sorry Nick, I was just trying to put another slant on things, I have experienced....The football is a massive thing to be happy with, but they have to have a life outside of BMH, and its important, us fans, get that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: Definitely don't want to sell him, love the guy and his ability, but Kamara is the better player. That's no slight on Dougie, Kamara's just borderline elite. In your opinion. And I'm sure many other including myself see Dougie as the main man in this team. It shows the value of both players tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 6 hours ago, TRO said: Its absolutely paramount Shaun.....look around at the stalwarts at Liverpool and Man City......These guys are the building blocks of a team. I don't want to labour the point, about the 80/81 team......but thats what they had, Saunders built that robust Family, With Bremner, Mortimer, Cowans, Shaw, Withe etc etc. They don't have to be ex academy players, to be one of our own imo.....they just need to give us their heart....and those boys did, and they still to this day, love Villa. I honestly, believe Unai is building this back again, and in my eyes, this is the very esssence of Building....not a bunch of cheque book charlies, how can that engender passion and commitment. Dougie Luiz, is an epitome of a player, that Ron worked with, and Unai is doing similar. These young boys we are looking at now, are testimony, to what his vision is.....they will fall in love with Villa too, if they make the grade. When folk talk about strength in a football team, this is precisely what it is.....its priceless, and its what connects us all together. Cheque Books are a necessary evil, but they don't build football teams.....The hearts of the Dougies, The SJM's and the Tyrones............do. 6 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said: You are so right. We have 6 key players who have been here 4 seasons or more. Luiz Konsa Mings McGinn Watkins and Martinez. They all joined at a point where the money wasnt great ( in Prem terms ) and the team wasn't great. So they have grown with the club. They get the club. It is part of them now. Apart from Kamara and Buendia, for me, if the chips are down, then those 6 would be the first on the team sheet if we were going into war. Scares me really how good our recruitment was . To get characters like these with their improvement is difficult. To get 6 of them at once is ridiculous. 5 hours ago, TRO said: Ditto. Its key to our renaissance. Yup... I want us to win trophies, big games and dare I say even " titles " with a nucleus of " loyal " boys who have grown to love the club, who will feel it deep in their gut. Seeing the likes of McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Ollie and Ming's ( Even if he's on crutches ) celebrating a trophy is the stuff of dreams. I might even consider allowing shinsplints back for a cut fee to get a feature of the genuine feeling once Man City have been relegated and all their accolades stripped 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 21 minutes ago, DJBOB said: No one is saying he's dispensable. But we have to think of the longevity of the Villa club in general. We literally made this same mistake in the MON years and severely paid the price in underwhelming transfers of Barry (14M), Milner (22M), Young (18M), and Delph (11.5M). Nowhere near their highest valuations and than as a result, we had some horrible late transfers in because we didn't get the timing right (Ireland, N'Zogbia, etc). Securing that future planning and not being held hostage to a player forcing a move is key for the longevity of the club. He is our POTS, one of our great players, and we struggle to get going creatively without him. But 100M is nothing to sneeze at. And again - if you look at that list of 100M players and if someone is willing to pay for it? Yeah, it's going to be a good deal for Villa and that is despite of how good Luiz is. you make a good point....but the players, you mentioned , wanted out....they had given us their time, and stopped Believing in the noises. They had the years of false dawns and promises, the environement is far and away different to those times. The club as a whole is in the ascendency, it is awash with tangible hope, it has Owners, while prudent, are conducive to ambition and progress.....We are not there yet by any stretch of the imagination, but the aspirations are there to be seen by all. I can never remember any manager, having this much latitude, and support, and so many appearing to be on the same page. They trust him, and so do we, and so does his support staff, not to mention the players.....when did we last have that? I do get the point, being made about timing, in the market.....but equally, don't under estimate the power of loyalty, and commitment, in players, its not easy to buy.....we have seen Man U have it, and lose it, and they struggle to get it back, same with Chelsea....its so easy to lose the soul and it can't just be bought back, so easy. I know, football is a business.....buts its a passion too....and the clever business people, don;t forget that. as the old saying goes....."its knowing the price of everything, and the value of nothing" fortunately..........We are building it , right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 28 minutes ago, TRO said: I had Andy Grays mom hug me emotionally, saying she was so happy, he had met a group of lads, to look after him, socially, So your to blame for his gambling and womanising After all these years it finally comes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 24 minutes ago, TRO said: Sorry Nick, I was just trying to put another slant on things, I have experienced....The football is a massive thing to be happy with, but they have to have a life outside of BMH, and its important, us fans, get that. Yeah I wasn’t trying to takeaway from your point, I was just adding because being happy at work also means you are more likely to be happy outside of work (not always I agree). I’ve been on both sides where at one job that was not great and thus without knowing it I was socialising less and I became more introverted but I’ve had a number of jobs that I’ve been happy in and I’ve been a happier person outside of work. It’s hard to switch off totally what happens at work when you are outside of work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 48 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: So your to blame for his gambling and womanising After all these years it finally comes out Well, I am not privvy to him gambling, so thats new to me....I will end it there. He wasn't the only one, who liked the odd girl....I was with him when I met my present wife of 48 years, so he or Jake could have married her, but looks in those days, shone through...... It was all good natured fun, with us. Edited January 18 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 12 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: 42 minutes ago, TRO said: I had Andy Grays mom hug me emotionally, saying she was so happy, he had met a group of lads, to look after him, socially, So your to blame for his gambling and womanising After all these years it finally comes out TRO in his younger days was MILF hunting Andy Gray’s mom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts