Supervillan78 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) I don’t think the club would actively look to sell him, however due to FFP constraints we may well be forced to. If the club received a substantial offer it would surely be considered. Edited January 29 by Supervillan78 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 29 minutes ago, KAZZAM said: Doubt any of what Ornstein is saying is true. Obviously he's ultimate tier of football transfer news but it's a very slow window and I wouldn't be surprised if he's just thrown out some speculative nonsense to keep the wheels turning. I can assure you that it is true about NUFC interest. As per @JAMAICAN-VILLAN post in the transfer thread just now. However, that doesn't mean we are going to let him go as it will require at least one other player moving AFAIK. Whether that's a direct swap or us bringing in a player from elsewhere, remains to be seen. Personally, I think he will stay, given the circumstances. But nobody knows for sure with these things, usually not even the player or his agent until a deal is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 It's a right shame that FFP encourages you to sell your youth products. Ramsey epitomises the profile of player we should be keeping so I hope we tell anyone and everyone to f*** right off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Newcastle can’t afford him with FFP. It’s ludicrous to even entertain it. I’m sure their inquiry was put right in the bin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Howe has denied Newcastle's interest, and said it's 'impossible' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, Supervillan78 said: I don’t think the club would actively look to sell him, however due to FFP constraints we may well be forced to. If the club received a substantial offer it would surly be considered. It would have to be a monstrous offer, for me. Something that would appear absurd… There are other sales we could make if we had to (I’m not convinced that we have to tbh, is this more conjecture and speculation than actual fact?)… So young, so talented, huge potential… would have to be 80m plus addons to even look at the offer for me… in todays market, with English tax and with a young talented player (one of the best in the league)… we shouldn’t be letting him slip out of our hands… even more so when he supports and loves the club… he’s part of our modern identity… it would be a major loss in many ways… we should be projecting the image that we build around players like this… not that they are dispensable and available. Shouldn’t be pushing players out that actually wanna be here and grow with us… the thought just horrifies me tbh… He’s still so young and has so much to achieve and a lot more development in him… I can’t think of anything worse than him shining for another PL team and being raved about while we regret ever allowing him to leave… Foreign clubs don’t really have the money either… He’s going to be worth a hell of a lot more as he ages and develops… Should be way down the list of anyone we’re considering selling… or not even on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Did nobody learn anything from Grealish. If right offer comes in Ramsey is off. Way you build a stronger team in long run unfortunately. Credit to Purslow, he saw this way before other teams like Newcastle and we were getting best youth from all over UK. Its way FFp is, we have to live with it to such a time we have a strong enough squad we don’t have to sell. We aren’t there yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Not a big surprise since they're colleagues, but Tanswell seems to be of the same opinion as Ornstein: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Again this is the actual article, nowhere does it say we're considering selling him A player generating concrete interest is Villa midfielder Jacob Ramsey, with the England Under-21 international catching the attention of clubs in both England and abroad. Newcastle United have made an approach for the 22-year-old as they attempt to bolster Eddie Howe’s side, although unless they manage to achieve a significant sale, he is likely to be beyond reach. Tottenham Hotspur and Bayern Munich are also among the sides to have made their admiration for Ramsey clear, so if Villa opt to let the academy graduate exit, they will not be short of takers. That is a big ‘if’ because Ramsey has established himself as a key player and ideally this would not be a consideration, but funds must be raised before the end of June to stay compliant with profit and sustainability rules and that has alerted suitors, who believe offers above £50million ($63.5m) will at least be contemplated. Should Villa decide to keep Ramsey, there are other ways in which the money could be found. Other clubs might be interested, but the main take away is the bolded, we don't want to sell him and don't have to, because we have other ways of finding the money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, HeyAnty said: Did nobody learn anything from Grealish. If right offer comes in Ramsey is off. Way you build a stronger team in long run unfortunately. Credit to Purslow, he saw this way before other teams like Newcastle and we were getting best youth from all over UK. Its way FFp is, we have to live with it to such a time we have a strong enough squad we don’t have to sell. We aren’t there yet. Difference is, Jack had a clause. As far as we know, JJ does not. Not comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) We could actively look to sell the following for decent fees: Digne Cash Duran (prefer if he stuck around but if there are genuine issues… then move him on if we get a good offer) Diego Carlos (maybe a Saudi offer) Need to get rid of Coutinho, Sanson (permanent move to Nice could be activated soon), Chambers, Berty… hopefully Napoli activate permanent deal/fee for Dendoncker (decent amount). Need to shift Hause somehow too, Olsen if possible? Would even look at big offers for players like McGinn and Bailey (although loathe to sell either of them) before even thinking of selling JJ… Even Iroegbunam in a similar deal to Archer & JPB… but wouldn’t want to sell any of them anyway. Just look at Unai’s recent comments… he has said that despite considering big offers (if they arrived, doesn’t mean we’re actively looking to sell anyone) we “do not want to lose the potential of our team” and it’s unwise to sell players just for money… and that it is very difficult to try to replace key/important ones… we want to achieve things, we have ambition, and for that… we need our better players. To me, that hints at us not wanting to sell anyone important or who would be a key element of our future… it’s the players that are more on the fringes that we would be actively looking to move on… Edited January 29 by Jas10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, useless said: Again this is the actual article, nowhere does it say we're considering selling him A player generating concrete interest is Villa midfielder Jacob Ramsey, with the England Under-21 international catching the attention of clubs in both England and abroad. Newcastle United have made an approach for the 22-year-old as they attempt to bolster Eddie Howe’s side, although unless they manage to achieve a significant sale, he is likely to be beyond reach. Tottenham Hotspur and Bayern Munich are also among the sides to have made their admiration for Ramsey clear, so if Villa opt to let the academy graduate exit, they will not be short of takers. That is a big ‘if’ because Ramsey has established himself as a key player and ideally this would not be a consideration, but funds must be raised before the end of June to stay compliant with profit and sustainability rules and that has alerted suitors, who believe offers above £50million ($63.5m) will at least be contemplated. Should Villa decide to keep Ramsey, there are other ways in which the money could be found. Other clubs might be interested, but the main take away is the bolded, we don't want to sell him and don't have to, because we have other ways of finding the money You are highlighting one part of the conditional ('Should Villa decide to keep Ramsey, there are other ways in which the money could be found') while ignoring the other part of the conditional ('if Villa opt to let the academy graduate exit, they will not be short of takers' and 'ideally this would not be a consideration but funds must be raised before the end of June to stay compliant with profit and sustainability rules'). It's just not a very honest way to discuss things. The text is plain and easy to read. We don't want to sell him, but - according to Ornstein - we need to sell to meet PSR rules (is he right or not? We don't know). As such, we could perhaps sell Ramsey (we 'will not be short of takers') or Duran (the 'other way of finding the money' that is given in the next paragraph). Are there others, that aren't mentioned? Well maybe, but a) they aren't mentioned, and b ) Ramsey and Duran are the two with named links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Selling Ramsey to raise funds is only an option in the same sense that selling Martinez, Luiz, Kamara, or Watkins is an option, they're all options in theory, doesn't mean to say we're actually gong to sell them or Ramsey. Not sure why people are completely ignoring that Ornstein has said we don't want to sell Ramsey and that there are other ways of raising the money we need to comply with FFP. In other words it's him being sold is very unlikely to happen, the main story is other clubs interest in him, which is no surprise, and that we need to raise money for FFP purposes, which is also no surprise, it's the same for every team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, useless said: Again this is the actual article, nowhere does it say we're considering selling him A player generating concrete interest is Villa midfielder Jacob Ramsey, with the England Under-21 international catching the attention of clubs in both England and abroad. Newcastle United have made an approach for the 22-year-old as they attempt to bolster Eddie Howe’s side, although unless they manage to achieve a significant sale, he is likely to be beyond reach. Tottenham Hotspur and Bayern Munich are also among the sides to have made their admiration for Ramsey clear, so if Villa opt to let the academy graduate exit, they will not be short of takers. That is a big ‘if’ because Ramsey has established himself as a key player and ideally this would not be a consideration, but funds must be raised before the end of June to stay compliant with profit and sustainability rules and that has alerted suitors, who believe offers above £50million ($63.5m) will at least be contemplated. Should Villa decide to keep Ramsey, there are other ways in which the money could be found. Other clubs might be interested, but the main take away is the bolded, we don't want to sell him and don't have to, because we have other ways of finding the money Ornstein has no clue about our FFP limits let’s be real. The £50m fee is a massive low ball figure. Hard to take it seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 People saying its clickbait lol Its from the top journalist you can get. Tier 1 GOD TIER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, useless said: Again this is the actual article, nowhere does it say we're considering selling him A player generating concrete interest is Villa midfielder Jacob Ramsey, with the England Under-21 international catching the attention of clubs in both England and abroad. Newcastle United have made an approach for the 22-year-old as they attempt to bolster Eddie Howe’s side, although unless they manage to achieve a significant sale, he is likely to be beyond reach. Tottenham Hotspur and Bayern Munich are also among the sides to have made their admiration for Ramsey clear, so if Villa opt to let the academy graduate exit, they will not be short of takers. That is a big ‘if’ because Ramsey has established himself as a key player and ideally this would not be a consideration, but funds must be raised before the end of June to stay compliant with profit and sustainability rules and that has alerted suitors, who believe offers above £50million ($63.5m) will at least be contemplated. Should Villa decide to keep Ramsey, there are other ways in which the money could be found. Other clubs might be interested, but the main take away is the bolded, we don't want to sell him and don't have to, because we have other ways of finding the money Yep… interest doesn’t mean that a decent offer will even come in… I hope our valuation is a lot higher than 50m though… They shouldn’t be able to afford him… I’m sure plenty of clubs are interested in the majority of our players… doesn’t mean they could get or afford them or that we would consider selling… interest indicates a high value and important player… no one’s interested in your shit ones Also, the same journos reported that we rejected offers for big players in the summer “out of hand”… so we weren’t willing to sell then… It’s just an easy or obvious name to pick out or highlight as someone who COULD be available but actually isn’t… again, more guesswork and speculation by journos rather than any real information from inside the club… IF, IF, IF… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Not a big surprise since they're colleagues, but Tanswell seems to be of the same opinion as Ornstein: Yet that's a photo of Leon Bailey... Don't do themselves any favours. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Difference is, Jack had a clause. As far as we know, JJ does not. Not comparable. And, little did we know, he had been angling for a move away for yonks… dipshit. JJ is infinitely more likeable and a proper Villa boy… I’m sure he wouldn’t want to leave and sees his future here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted January 29 Popular Post Share Posted January 29 Ornstein is probably right about the FFP situation, shouldn't be dismissed just because we don't like what he has to say with regards to that. Also he isn't saying we would accept £50m just that that's what other clubs think could make us interested, doesn't mean that we would though And again he doesn't say we're interested in selling him, he says the opposite and that there are other ways of raising the money 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: People saying its clickbait lol Its from the top journalist you can get. Tier 1 GOD TIER. It doesn’t preclude him from pushing rumours though. They can be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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