villalad21 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, rodders0223 said: Won't make it to Christmas. Imagine if we went for him, we might have actually went down. Frigthening thought Edited December 1, 2018 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Imagine if we went for him, we might have actually went down. Frigthening thought No might at all. I think he would have brought us down . Our Zola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 We have dodged a bullet here haven’t we? I don’t suppose we’ll ever know the discussions he held with the hierarchy but if Ligue 1 isn’t a league to cut your teeth in then the Championship certainly isn’t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, SuperTed said: We have dodged a bullet here haven’t we? Just another lesson learned. Hiring someone without managerial experience is a damn huge gamble. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted December 2, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 2, 2018 11 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Won't make it to Christmas. Like a box of Celebrations - looks all shiny and exciting in October, gone by the middle of December. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Bit of context. Really was a terrible, but brave I guess choice of first job for Henry. No Idea if he'll ever be a good manager or not, but so far he's failed to make any impact. In over his head I imagine. Quote What's happened to Monaco? Why struggling Thierry Henry is still searching for his first win Is it possible to go from compellingly thrilling title winners and Champions League semi-finalists, to European no-hopers and genuine relegation contenders in the space of 18 months? Yes, it is – just ask any Monaco fan. In the spring of 2017, Monaco raced into the last four of Europe’s premier club competition. At the same time they did the unthinkable by outperforming PSG to claim the Ligue 1 title with one of the most spectacular and exciting French top-flight line-ups in living memory. Just 18 months later they are enduring one of the most miserable periods in their history. They have already been dumped out of the Champions League (with one point from four games) are haven’t won any of their last 12 outings (W0-D3-L9) in the competition. Earlier this month they suffered their worst loss in 191 European matches, capitulating 4-0 at home to an ordinary Club Brugge side. Domestically, things are even worse. Monaco are second-bottom of the Ligue 1 table, having picked up just seven points from their opening 13 matches of the season. This is their worst start in more than 40 years. Manager Leonardo Jardim has gone and rookie replacement Thierry Henry has so far been powerless to turn things around. Where has it all gone wrong? How did a club lauded not only for the quality of the football they played, but also their methods and policies off the pitch turn into a laughing stock? 1. Crippling player sales It sounds obvious, but is worth stating: you simply cannot sell the calibre of players that Monaco have sold – and in the numbers they have shifted them – and hope to remain as competitive as you once were on the pitch. Six members of the equipe-type (the French term for an ideal starting XI) that won the 2016/17 Ligue 1 title have moved on – and the talent deficit is apparent every time Monaco take to the field. The departures of Benjamin Mendy, Fabinho, Tiemoue Bakayoko, Bernardo Silva, Thomas Lemar and Kylian Mbappe have swelled the club’s coffers to the tune of €430 million, but without those dazzling half-dozen stars, the burden on the players left behind (goalkeeper Danijel Subasic, defenders Djibril Sidibe, Kamil Glik and Jemerson, plus leading scorer Radamel Falcao) has become simply too much to bear. 2. LOSING THEIR MIDAS TRANSFER TOUCH Having sold so many of their star names, Monaco have compounded their problems by dramatically losing their way in the transfer market. The majority of the players they opted signed in 2017 – many of whom were seen as suitable medium-term replacements for the departees listed above – have flopped spectacularly, to the extent that most have already been written off and shipped out. The now disastrous-looking ‘ins’ roster includes Terence Kongolo, Adama Diakhaby, Soualiho Meite, Keita Balde and Rachid Ghezzal, all of whom barely put a foot right in Monaco colours before being sold to foreign suitors (at a profit admittedly, in most cases, although that doesn’t help Monaco on the pitch right now). The 2017 signings who have stayed at Monaco – left-back Jorge, midfielder Youri Tielemans and striker Stevan Jovetic – have made little impact, leaving new manager Henry short of high-calibre players in most areas of the pitch. 3. SACKING OF LEONARDO JARDIM The impact of Jardim’s sacking on October 11 shouldn’t be underestimated. The Portuguese did a stunning job in four years at Monaco: he bought into the club’s model of relying on young players with the potential to provide a profit in the transfer market, tweaked his team’s tactics expertly from one season to the next, combined courtesy with forthrightness in his dealings with the media, and adroitly navigated the politically choppy waters of life at the club. Monaco was never as calm and united a place as Jardim’s public persona made it appear, but his unflappability, quiet energy and capacity for instilling a sense of discipline and ambition in his squad played a central role in making the Monaco project an unexpected success. This year was not necessarily the wrong time for Jardim to go – it might have made more sense had he left over the summer – but life after him will be no less difficult for that. His successor Henry – six games, no wins, two draws, four defeats, 16 goals conceded – is finding out what a difficult act Jardim is to follow. 4. INJURIES… EVERYWHERE While poor decisions have been a factor in Monaco’s downfall, rotten luck has also played its part – they have had to contend with more injuries than any other Ligue 1 side this season. No fewer than 13 players were unavailable for their 4-0 home drubbing at the hands of PSG earlier this month, leaving the beleaguered Henry with a skeleton squad to pick from. Such problems pre-date Henry’s arrival at the club: star summer signing Aleksandr Golovin (CSKA Moscow for €30m) has missed most of the season through injury; Subasic has barely featured since helping Croatia reach the World Cup final; Rony Lopes has been sidelined since early September; Jovetic has spent more time on the treatment table than the pitch; and Sidibe has been a shadow of his former self since suffering a knee injury last April. After their cluster of player sales and poor purchases, the last thing Monaco needed was to have so many of their biggest names ruled out of action. 5. IMPACT OF FOOTBALL LEAKS The raft of stories about Monaco that have come out in the latest tranche of Football Leaks documents have poisoned the atmosphere at Monaco’s Stade Louis II headquarters. Allegations about phantom friendlies and lobbying to win favour in French football’s corridors of power have chipped away at morale, and at the worst possible time too. The recent arrest of owner Dmitry Rybolovlev in relation to a long-standing investigation into corruption and influence peddling is arguably the greatest concern of all. The matter looks likely to drag on for some months, leading to rumours that the Russian billionaire may be forced to sell the club, or make the decision himself that a fresh start is best for all concerned. Stability off the pitch is normally essential for a team to transform their fortunes on it – and right now, that's one thing in desperately short supply on this gilded stretch of Riviera coastline. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/monaco-thierry-henry-whats-happened-still-searching-first-win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, sne said: Really was a terrible, but brave I guess choice of first job for Henry. Very similar to Gary Neville in Valencia this isn't it? Arrogant pundits believing in their own hype, completely out of their depth. Edited December 2, 2018 by villalad21 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Very similar to Gary Neville in Valencia this isn't it? Arrogant pundits believing in their own hype, completely out of their depth. Yeah, might be. No idea what Neville did as assistant for England but Henry was praised for his work with Belgium. And while I knew Neville - Valencia was going to be a car crash, Henry should IMO have done better at Monaco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Who praised him at Belgium. He was only assistant manager after World Cup so had no responsibility except coaching forwards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Who praised him at Belgium. He was only assistant manager after World Cup so had no responsibility except coaching forwards The players he worked with, Lukaku in particular did an interview about it but other attacking players as well. He was well liked as an attacking coach with Belgium, but perhaps that is what he should stick to. Being manager is a whole different ball park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: Who praised him at Belgium. He was only assistant manager after World Cup so had no responsibility except coaching forwards John Terry will be a interesting watch once he leave Villa to be a manager. Hopefuly he will learn fro these guys mistake, and learn as much as he can at Villa under DS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 This reminds me of remi garde at villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 2, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 2, 2018 I mean I hated Bruce, I wanted him gone so long I had to take 9 months off posting on here but despite that I was actually pleased when he held onto his job following the takeover. Not because I held out any remote hope the bloated buffoon would suddenly stop being a whinging ballbag and shite manager but because we avoided Henry. Nothing about it as an appointment would have made sense and nothing I’ve seen or heard from Henry has ever made me think he was a manager of the future. Couldn’t careless how successful or otherwise he is, I’m just delighted he isn’t at Villa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Demitri_C said: This reminds me of remi garde at villa. Garde had previous manager experience. And he didn’t get a team where some players won the title 2 years prior. they both come to a club in crisis though, but garde never really had a chance. A good manager should be able to get better results at Monaco. I bet even Bruce would have won a few games by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Won tonight, is he on to something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 hours ago, villalad21 said: Won tonight, is he on to something? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 02/12/2018 at 12:50, villalad21 said: John Terry will be a interesting watch once he leave Villa to be a manager. Hopefuly he will learn fro these guys mistake, and learn as much as he can at Villa under DS. I hope he adopts us as his new club and becomes part of the furniture for a long period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I hope he adopts us as his new club and becomes part of the furniture for a long period of time. I think he have h9gher ambitions than being assistant. But i do hope his style will be more like Dean Smith's, not Mourinho's style! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zatman Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Said his players lacked desire yesterday. Really has no man management skills at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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